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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

God damnit I literally just got Proton going like 4 days ago.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Uhg. How much longer until it's more viable to self host...

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[–] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

You could look at infomaniak, but I didn't have the best experience trying out (or even getting started with) their services. Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be tough (or at least it was from me while I was looking to escape from Tuta). Good luck, tho.

EDIT: Infomaniak is on F-Droid!

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[–] lazzerot@startrek.website 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Protonmail has been my main email provider for the past 7 years, and unless its CEO decides to sell it to Trump or Musk I honestly don't see how his stupid private or not so private opinions are worth the hassle of changing my email for the million things I use my main and all the other emails I registered with Protonmail.
Most rich people have very dubious or outright awful political opinions and unless you're rich enough to have someone build you an alternative or deconnected enough from society/only exist in programmer circles and are able to live entirely on FOSS software I don't see why the average user should care about the CEO's political stance. Maybe that's my ignorant opinion as a European, but would you stop using Linux if you found out Linus Torvalds secretly loves Windows? Probably not.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Your analogy/ example is fucked up and beyond stupid. Protonmail is hosted by the organization. Linus has no access to the Linux systems in the world. Also, thousands have contributed to the Linux ecosystem.

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[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

In all seriousness, I genuinely feel like the demographics of those making over 250K/year outside of Silicon Valley (proton is from Switzerland which is a center-right country), and outside of the arts industries, is probably bare minimum of lib-center, and probably most likely to be at least fiscally conservative, if not socially as well. Those kind of people are more concerned with maintaining their financial position than the issues plaguing the income classes that the individual has graduated out of.

I don’t think you’re going to find many CEOs that aren’t at least a little right of center or self serving in their business interests.

Getting to the top 1% income bracket is a lot easier than maintaining that financial position.

[–] gencha@lemm.ee -4 points 1 day ago

This reads like an angry response to what Proton has been doing very recently.

Take a moment to reflect how you started to use their services. Really think about what you thought at the time about them being the right service for your needs.

Did anything really change for you, other than thinking your porn download history is now as safe as Nazi gold in Switzerland?

Take the next step, and don't look back.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I was mulling moving everything from Google to Proton. Guess I'll keep my money for now.

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