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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 153 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Truly unhinged that they decided to come out on this. Fellas, you are fucking Swiss why throw yourself under the bus for the US election

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[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 42 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

If a car company in Germany complemented Hitler on his paintings, would it be still fine to buy their cars? And what if they were a really great car company and only mentioned how cool Hitler's paintings were and nothing else?

I sort of feel like if I am cool with Proton's statement, then I also am cool with trans people and Latino people and Gazan people being treated poorly, and I'm not actually cool with that.

It's unfortunate, because despite Proton not accepting XMR and logging IPs when they promised they wouldn't and doing other questionable practices, they have a lot of great services. But now, it's like if I'm using their services, I'm sort of spitting on the grave of every trans person who ended their life out of shame, spitting on the grave of every dead Gazan who simply didn't want to die, and being disrespectful to all the cool Latinos out there who have been degraded simply out of racism.

:-(

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 30 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

A car company complimenting Hitler's painting is nothing compared to making business deals with Hitler. Ford and GM still have subsidiaries that operated and built for Nazi Germany despite the US declaration of war in World War 2.

Things haven't really changed. Corporations will typically side with fascists when it comes to it.

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 7 points 15 hours ago

It’s all about profit, and right wing policies tend to facilitate that…for example reduced workers rights.

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[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 39 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Unlike a car which is bought once and is mostly outside of vendor control once you have it, Proton mail is a service that requires continuous trust in the company since they offer a service. This means I no longer trust Proton as much, which makes me much less inclined to use their services.

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[–] LemoineFairclough@sh.itjust.works 12 points 18 hours ago (14 children)

It seems there aren't any exact replacements, but this probably lists service providers to consider: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/email/

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl -1 points 7 hours ago (9 children)

Wow, lots of people on Lemmy just look at screenshots of text and dont read anything anymore.

I dont think he said anything controversial. Read what he wrote.

He's not supporting Trump or the Republican party in general. He is calling them out for selecting someone good on antitrust. That's not controversial.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 51 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

I own and operate https://port87.com/, and in no way am I even close to right wing. I don’t call myself a liberal, and get offended when people do, because I’m a leftist.

It’s not ready for business email yet, but it’ll work for your personal email.

[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I didn't see in the "about" what jurisdiction (if any) you are incorporated in. I also don't see if there's any encryption at rest.

This is important to me because in the US, the government can go to court, get an order demanding a US email provider to put in a backdoor, and then get a gag order so the US company can't disclose it to users.

And with open-source code, I end up trusting to some extent that the server code matches what is on github, so making it open-source doesn't stop forced backdoors and gag orders if it's based in the US.

For someone whose threat model doesn't include the government (someone not LGBT+, not Latino, not trans, a political moderate with average viewpoints who won't be impacted regardless of who is in power), it's not the sort of thing that matters. But for others, it would help to include that information.

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[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 12 points 20 hours ago

This is cool but tbh having numbers in the domain makes it feel kinda sketchy especially for a business email, also i already wouldn’t use proton for business due to the worry of getting caught by spam filters so it would be much more difficult to use this, especially since its hard to know if you’ll be able to sustain the business for 5/10/15 years.

Im glad youre working on it though and ill keep an eye out on your progress!

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[–] conspiracypentester@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago
[–] bpev@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Yo so question for y'alls: what's your opinion on using custom domain (for portability) vs masked emails?

Rn I have my main emails on my personal domain, and then I have masked emails going through xxx@fastmail.com for more anonymity + segmenting (err i mean just being able to disable a certain address individually) . But watching all this reminded me that if I decided to move away from fastmail, i'm much more locked-in this way. Do y'alls use a custom domain for masked email as well? The one thing I don't like about that is that it'd be so easy to connect multiple accounts based on domain, so anonymity is probably kinda broken.

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[–] carlytm@lemm.ee 249 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Sigh.

Goddammit. I'm so fucking tired.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 6 points 16 hours ago

I swear by Njalla, which is run by Peter Sunde

[–] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 65 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

I will continue to use Proton and their services, not because I support or endorse any political decisions from the CEO/board members (and I don't), but because they provide open source, secure, and private software that I love.

This is no different than arguing about using GrapheneOS based on the behavior of the maintainers.

[–] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 15 hours ago

Nope, they don't share their server code. Not cool.

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