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I see a lot of people blaming tiktok and "brain rot" content for the increasing ADHD diagnoses, but I think its a matter of better detection, similar to how OCD and autism diagnosis have increased too.

Also as someone with ADHD, it feels like shit that it could be "my fault" or that I have brainrot.

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[–] lath@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Depends on who does the diagnosis and for what reason.

First of all, self-diagnosis specifically linked to TikTok trends or other social media is a very dumb way of claiming to have ADHD or any defining trait of some kind. Enough users do this to make it an issue of general perception of the actual state of things.

So while I'd say that detection has increased, the alleged "brainrot" has followed as well - for the duration of the trend's popularity.

[–] Soulifix@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 2 days ago

Self-diagnosing in general is dumb. That's why Depression, ADHD, Anxiety, PTSD even and even Autism are seemingly record levels.

It's discrediting actual sufferers and once again putting them under the rug. It pisses me off when I see bodycam videos, right away, the person arrested immediately starts going over a laundry list of mental issues that they have. All the while screaming, resisting arrest and shit.

Then we got armchair psychologists and therapists on the internet who practice without a license (or knowledge) that actually "grants" people these issues after just sitting down and having a conversation with someone.

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Tiktok definitely reduces the attention span of its users. Same goes for YouTube shorts, instagram reels and all other short form content. But more ADHD cases being diagnosed comes down to better detection and generally more awareness by the public for the symptoms.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It was Saturday morning cartoons when I was a kid. Then it was video games. Now they blame TikTok.

Don't believe those people. They want any excuse except the actual answer, that humanity exists on several sliding scales. And while there is a normative zone, it's not at all abnormal to be outside that zone.

[–] ImGonnaTryScience@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

While I am very much against the idea that "things were better in my day", I don't think the idea that the rise of social media, short form content and rapid gratification has had on today's society and upcoming generations should be tossed out offhand. I do think there is something fundamentally different with some of the content presented nowadays, and how easy to access and addictive it can be.

[–] discostjohn@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

Absolutely. Years of dedicated research have been spent maximizing the attention economy

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not just short form video algorithms. Streaming TV shows are made to where they effectively end about 15 minutes into the next episode. Video games are workshopped right down to the sounds they use for loot boxes.

And all of that might have an effect, but that effect is pretty clearly to draw in normal people. Not to somehow create ADHD.

Maybe it won't create more, but it can agravante symptoms and lead to increased detection rates

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Considering I've never used TikTok or joined it, I was diagnosed in 2022 (or so, I don't remember), after almost 40 years of life. So much of my past, pre- and post-internet era, started to make sense when I learned that ADHD has an inattentive side that lacks the hyperactivity.

It's not that the diagnosis of and has exploded due to "X cause," but like autism, we have increased identification for them or categorize behaviors differently.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

A theory I really appreciated that I heard recently was that there's definitely an uptick in female diagnoses of ADHD because, until fairly recently, doctors didn't even believe women could have ADHD. So now it's more out there and there's an uptick in adult women getting tested and being recognized with a diagnosis.

Along with that, yeah just more awareness in general causes more people to go get tested causing more diagnoses. So I'd say things like tiktok contribute to that but only in that they bring awareness to the symptoms people might've not realized were related to ADHD before, not that they cause it.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 60 points 4 days ago (15 children)

ADHD is, as I understand it with my shitty, distantly earned BS in psychology, congenital and not acquired. You can't just "catch" ADHD, your brain was born with a neurochemical issue - not that I understand neuroscience well, but the dopamine isn't doing its job of keeping your thoughts on target, hence why only immediately rewarding things seem to be possible sometimes.

There are a lot more diagnoses of late, but I've read that part of it is the war on drugs making the Rx systematically scarce so it's just easier to blame people for seeking care rather than addressing the systemic issues. Sort of akin to blaming the consumer for climate change.

TikTok is probably not helping, and it is easy to become addicted. This is a separate matter however.

[–] triptrapper@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

I'm a licensed mental health professional but I don't specialize in ADHD. I've been diagnosed with ADHD and take stimulants every day.

ADHD is mostly genetic, but IMO the increase in diagnoses is partly due to the information overload from the digital age we're living in. There are simply more things distracting us, more cognitive demands, such that even "normal" brains will struggle to keep up.

I want to point out, too, that the DSM has serious issues with validity and reliability. Some of the criteria are so subjective as to be useless, and two providers diagnosing the same person can arrive at very different disorders. Allen Frances, chair of the DSM-IV (we're on DSM-5 now) wrote a book called Saving Normal where he criticizes the APA's trend of pathologizing basic human experiences. With each DSM edition the diagnostic criteria get more broad, to the point that I can argue that any given person meets criteria for SOME disorder. If everyone is disordered, then what's normal anymore? How is that helpful?

Most of the diagnostic criteria for ADHD describe someone who isn't a "good student" or a "good employee." It doesn't consider context. If someone fucking hates their job, I'm not surprised they struggle to complete tasks that require sustained mental effort. Kids are reminded every day that the world is burning, so of course they're distracted from their math homework. I'm not saying people aren't suffering from what we call ADHD, I'm saying that it's a normal human response to the state of the world right now, so why are we calling it a disorder?

Edit: a word

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[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's 100% better detection. ADHD is not something you develop, just like autism or type 1 diabetes. It is measurable (it's visible on MRIs as an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex) and some of the symptoms can be treated with drugs, but the person's body will never not need them (just like type 1 diabetes).

Suggesting that TikTok causes ADHD is similar to suggesting that sodas cause type 1 diabetes, the rise of one correlates with the other because if every kid is consuming soda/TikTok it's easier to spot the ones with Diabetes/ADHD, not because of a cause-effect relationship but because some of them will react differently.

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[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The rates are also increasing. Not just better detection.

RCCX Theory.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The increase in rates is contributed by people having children later. Lots of peopld have kids later in life compared to decades ago. Like ASD there is a link between parental age at the time of having the child and an increase in non-normative conditions. It’s not the only cause, just a factor that increases risk.

[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree that is a factor. As are many other things. But we’re also seeing the rates of diagnosis of all the other rccx connected disorders like t1d.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ok, maybe aging parental DNA affects RCCX more? Who knows. Also overweight parents are more likely to have kids with diabetes, and being overweight is rampant in the US.

[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Could be a different mechanism but yeah it is a stress vulnerability.

Type1, so the autoimmune version. As well as Crohns, MS, etc

https://me-pedia.org/wiki/RCCX_Genetic_Module_Theory#Conditions_associated_with_RCCX_gene_mutations

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago (4 children)

You can't cause ADHD, you can't prevent ADHD; it's genetic. It's not a result of patterns of thought, or video games, or television. You don't have to 'train' your child's attention span, nor can you destroy it.

People with adhd are naturally drawn to high-stimulation activities, so people associate the two - but that's like saying that smoke burns the toast.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

https://www.cdc.gov/adhd/diagnosis/index.html

Diagnostic Criteria of ADHD as per DSM 5: (Must persist for 6 months, 6 of these if 16 or younger, 5 of these if 17 or older)

(1) Often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, at work, or with other activities.

(2) Often has trouble holding attention on tasks or play activities.

(3) Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly.

(4) Often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (e.g., loses focus, side-tracked).

(5) Often has trouble organizing tasks and activities.

(6) Often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to do tasks that require mental effort over a long period of time (such as schoolwork or homework).

(7) Often loses things necessary for tasks and activities (e.g. school materials, pencils, books, tools, wallets, keys, paperwork, eyeglasses, mobile telephones).

(8) Is often easily distracted.

(9) Is often forgetful in daily activities.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10756502/

Results revealed that short-form video addiction not only directly impacted academic procrastination but also placed indirect effect on academic procrastination through attentional control.

Academic Procrastination:

Arguably 1, 4 and 6

Lower Ability to Retain Attention:

Arguably 2, 3, 6 and 8

...

That's just one study.

You can rather easily find dozens of studies that conclude that significant TikTok usage lowers your attention span, lowers your ability to maintain attention/focus, lowers your academic performance, is distracting in and of itself, is even more distracting because TikTok is addictive via dopamine reinforcement conditioning.

Tiktok recently got very angry when documents were made public showing that they know their product is addictive, and that this is done by design.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/g-s1-27676/tiktok-redacted-documents-in-teen-safety-lawsuit-revealed

TikTok determined the precise amount of viewing it takes for someone to form a habit: 260 videos. After that, according to state investigators, a user “is likely to become addicted to the platform.”

TikTok’s own research states that “compulsive usage correlates with a slew of negative mental health effects like loss of analytical skills, memory formation, contextual thinking, conversational depth, empathy, and increased anxiety,” according to the suit.

In addition, the documents show that TikTok was aware that “compulsive usage also interferes with essential personal responsibilities like sufficient sleep, work/school responsibilities, and connecting with loved ones.”

...

I am not going to say that nature, ie genetics, plays absolutely no factor in the likelihood of developing ADHD. It certainly plays a significant role.

But to say you cannot cause and/or exacerbate ADHD via nurture, ie the activities you engage in and the environment you are a part of ... that's absolutely ludicrous, just empirically false.

ADHD diagnoses are on the rise, significant TikTok use exacerbates many of the behavior patterns which literally are the diagnostic criteria for ADHD, thus increased usage of TikTok is causally connected to increasing levels of ADHD in the population.

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[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (3 children)

People are looking for it more than they used to. NOBODY was looking for it when I was young. I was probably in high school when I first heard of ADD. (They hadn't added the H yet) and the general understanding was that ADD = a spastic kid that can't sit still and makes too much noise, and that medication just sedated them to the point of complacency.

I was quiet, and liked to read, so when my third and forth grade teachers said that they were concerned about my ability to pay attention, my mom got offended that they would imply there was something wrong with her smart boy.

I wonder how my life might be different if she had listened to them instead of letting me figure it out on my own 30 years later.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 18 points 4 days ago

"The quiet girl who is clearly not stupid and reads A LOT but has trouble organising herself will be fine, she'll be able to sort herself out, especially with the help of her parents who are both teachers - no cause for concern here, there are kids who very obviously need more help."

  • my teachers, probably, in the late 80s and 90s.

I don't exactly blame them, there really were kids who needed all their attention so I fell through the cracks.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (9 children)

or "tiktok"?

I have ADHD. I have never used tiktok.

Case proven? :)

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't believe that ADHD can be developed but at the same time TikTok is literally engineered to prey on the symptoms of it.

Sort of like how we didn't start noticing that some kids had attention disorders until we shoved them in a seat in a classroom for 9 hours a day, we didn't start noticing that a lot more kids had the same issues when we gave them a bright, shiny, feature-rich and constantly updating video app for them to use.

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[–] TheFlopster@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ironically, the algorithm pushing adhd content to my boyfriend is what made him actually realize that that's what he probably has. He just thought everyone felt the way he always has, but were better at handling their life than he was. (There might be a serious low self-esteem problem mixed in there too.)

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 18 points 4 days ago

I had ADHD a full 20 years before tiktok was invented

I was fourteen when I first got unlimited internet access.

ADHD is something you're born with.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

actual diagnoses are likely due to better detection, self diagnoses are likely due to the Internet.

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe, but in my experience a lot of people who self-diagnosed and claim they have adhd are actually just chronically online and want to feel special. I've even seen some people who got tested, were told outright by professionals that they do not have adhd (and shown proof), and decided to say the doctors were trying to oppress or alienate them.

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's fair. I was diagnosed with ADHD after seeking help for depression, rather than YouTube, but I'm now looking into ASD because of YouTube, and so far I just got through the pre-screening and am awaiting an appointment for proper evaluation.

So, I guess it works both ways. Wild to think that someone could want ADHD, outside of maybe wanting a script for the meds.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 2 days ago

well they don't really want ADHD, but rather they spend too much time online and are desperately searching for something that makes them feel special.

[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago

It's probably better detection.

As for internet brain rot, I suspect that's due to the idolization of swiftly delivered entertainment over everything else.

People don't read anymore because it takes time and effort to get into the book. It takes commitment and thought. People would rather have entertainment fed to us in thousands of smaller doses. Get those micro dopamine hits with each swipe of your phone.

I suspect it's also a form of escapism. The world is turning to shit and TikTok brain rot works much in the same way as abusing drugs.

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Have you been formally diagnosed by a psychiatrist or other qualified healthcare professional?

Undoubtedly ADHD (especially ADD variant) went underreported for a very long time as until only relatively recently we'd have blamed its symptoms on other things. The increase in people being diagnosed is real.

But it needs to be done by a qualified professional because some ADHD symptoms overlap with other neurodiversity or other conditions. So a portion of self diagnosed people will, in fact, not have ADHD but something else.

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[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just like video games don't make someone a school shooter, tiktok does not make people have ADHD. Both can exacerbate existing problems and people need to be aware of this and look at WHY kids in particular seem to spend a lot of time gaming / scrolling brainless videos. But the causes are more complex and inconvenient so society jumps on easy answers.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

people need to be aware of this and look at WHY kids in particular seem to spend a lot of time gaming / scrolling brainless videos

Obviously because of the dopamine rush, this isn't new information.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well yes, that's what's happening in the brain. I was more talking about the reason why kids might feel the need to passively consume for hours in the first place.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Because they need the stimulation.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

I think doctors are diagnosing ADHD more often because it didn't used to be a recognized thing. Awareness and detection are both rising. I also think as pharmaceutical companies make ADHD meds they can profit from, it is yet another incentive for doctors to give an ADHD diagnosis.

I think people are self-diagnosing ADHD more often because, well, I could probably write an essay opining on that. It's not just tiktok because the self-diagnosis trend predates tiktok but tiktok certainly contributes.

Excessive time on TikTok is not good for a person, whether it "causes" ADHD or not.

If you have an ADHD diagnosis, have a conversation with your doctor about both meds and non-med ways to improve your life. Cutting down on TikTok may be advisable, in addition to any meds or other instructions the doctor has given you. Obligatory "Lemmy is not the place for medical advice".

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[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 10 points 4 days ago

I don't think you can become ADHD. You're either born with it or not.

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