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[–] bram@lemm.ee 70 points 1 year ago (11 children)
[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, but it's what I would pick on a form in the "religion" spot if I had to.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd put "none". Just as "not collecting postal stamps" doesn't go into the "hobbies" field.

[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

But not collecting postal stamps is one of my favorite hobbies.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Exactly. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity; anything extra is just personalized spices.

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ackshually.. it's a lack of theism. Technically deists are atheists.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol yeah. “We live in a simulation created and observed by an unpaid intern” vs “we live in a test world where a supreme being keeps changing the rules and then will judge whether you get to live in his resort or the bad hostel once you die”

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Atheism is the belief that there are no deities. Atheists have a burden of proof of a negative. Only agnostics get the "not a belief system" card.

Fight me.

[–] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I...don't need to fight you. It's not about burden of proof; it's about the definition of the word. Atheism is—as we agree—merely a yes/no classification of the belief in a deity; it is not a belief system in itself. As such, someone can be an atheist while still having a religion, which is a belief system, one that may or may not involve a deity.

Burden of proof only applies if one is making a claim in an objective context, not when one is making a claim in a subjective context.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Also worth noting that the onus of proving a claim lies with whoever does claim a thing. It is always more difficult to prove a negative and nobody just assumes everything that hasn't been specifically debunked. Hilariously wrongheaded of them.

[–] Thranduil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Atheism is a lack of belief. Basically we are not convinced there is a god. There is no burden of proof because we are not claiming there isnt a god, just that we are not convinced one does.

[–] eldain@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

Easy, gods used to do devine interventions all the time. Didn't sacrifice to Neptunus before your sea journey? His mood storm sinks your ship. Didn't please Mars before your battle? You fight at bad weather and the enemy has surprise reinforcements.

Modern day gods? They left a secretary or something. Buhbuh you did something bad, I put you on the naughty list but I'm a weak noodle so your punishment will have to wait until after your death. When your soul which is not your body but has all senses asif it were because we antromorph everything, gets hurt.

If you can bomb a kids hospital without getting struck by lightning, there are no gods. There are millions of people praying for peace and the save return of their children in the ukraine war on both sides, nothing happens. I claim that the presence of a god would be obvious if they took their job description seriously. Like a managers/auditors presence can be felt in the office without seeing him.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't prove a negative.

Prove to me there isn't a teapot floating around Saturn, or that Gravity isn't a panda in the centre of every planet pulling on invisible strings.

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Well if you say, for example, Christianity is faith based, then you could argue that atheism is faith based as well. Faith that there is no god.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] panda_paddle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Agnostic-atheists are honest. Nostic-atheists are hubristic, fools.

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[–] ChrisLicht@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Neither is cubo-futurism.

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[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] neptune@dmv.social 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No no no, I'm a Christian because my parents have shown to me that it's the one true path.

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Hi, Christian.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

But it splits 3 ways at the top...

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that it's the predominant religion where you live and it's culturally accepted as true lol

[–] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No I knew, I was just playing along.

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 6 points 1 year ago

Imagine how controversial it would be if it changed your race.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't that what basically happens when you're born? I seriously wonder how many Christians would be such if they were born in India or China.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah the sorting hat takes in to account who you are and who you might be. Religion us mostly based on geography.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Agreed, though there is an argument to be said where your parents will raise you in a specific way, based on their upbringing, and therefore your nature could decide your house. Malfoy was a slytherin because his parents were, and that’s all they brought him up to be, which isn’t unlike religion, where being raised in a specific way will decide your outlook on the world

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No Satanism, Pastafarianism or Wiccan on the list? >:(

Considering sports and religion always go out of control with large crowds, I bet the Quidditch matches would end up in massacres too frequently

[–] Thranduil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ist satanism just atheism with extra steps?

[–] eldain@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the us ngo satanic temple, you also have people who religiously worship satan instead of jesus. Christian multiverse. High chance of encountering cults if you look for them.

[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What’s the difference between a religion and a cult?

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A cult may or may not include a religion.

A cult is also typically closed off to the general public (secret or keeps a low profile on purpose). Some cults also isolate their members from the rest of the general population.

You sure have overlaps between cults and religions, but they are not the same.

[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My question was rhetorical, but I didn’t make it obvious. Most religions isolate their members, but it just depends how much.

My point is that most religions are culty, it’s just a matter of how much.

Sometimes it’s so hard to tell the difference that one must ask themselves whether there is one. Are religions just normalized cults?

[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Wiccans have the best memes

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago

Well it's always nice to have options when deciding on a cult.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a single new age woo woo occult religion in the bunch. There are dozens of us!

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

sorting hat scrunches it’s face

HUFFLEPUFF!

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Know I'm thinking it just starts letting out prophecies, not answering the question of what religion you get, but rather telling stories of horror about the non-existence of God and yet the ever fleeting reality we are yet to experience.

Hmmmm, better be ...AUM SHINRIKYO!

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