Honestly I think people should embrace their medium, whatever it is.
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Lemmy when discussing health care: Karl Marx
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It would sure be cool if all art could belong to all people.
Sadly, as long as we live in a profit driven system, there needs to be a way for artists to claim ownership over their work.
I don't see how people think this is any sort of slam dunk or how it could go against leftist principles.
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Everything's just a retelling of Gilgamesh anyway, why bother protecting "originality"
I don't know if Marx would disagree with individual artists owning the intellectual right to their artworks.
And if you asked Lemmy about how long copyright should last, I doubt that Ayn Rand would approve.
Yeah, let a small number of billionaires to steal both the work and job of artists, then flood the market for art with poorly made mass produced garbage, because some idea guys are still pissed off about his artist and programmer friends not teaming up to make him GTA but set in his hometown, with VR support.
because I don't make art to sell, I'd love to train an Ai on my pics or songs and then see what it can make when given cool prompts :)
But I'm far from the competitive capitalism scene so I more view such an activity with a sense of wonder instead of anything to do with a loss of paid work.
When I was making an android game I wanted to make art so i made an ai art gen on Perchance. OP would hate it most of all since a large part of it is the combining of different artist styles. I personally love being able to combine my 5 fav artists and see what prompts become with them combined.
I recently realized the artist Hannah Yata results in cool trippy pics. I then went to her site and yeah her pics are really like that. She's one of maybe 8 artists I've recently found a special connection to that I would not have known about otherwise.
so yeah ai art may be bad for struggling professional artists but for people that are not big money game studios yet, ai art basically allows having nonstockimage art in projects legally. I can 100% say ai art empowers me to have visuals where I could not have before unless i used stock(gross) images or had starting wealth to pay artists. So if you focus on artists losing, also focus on the poor but smart kid in some poverty place who is now that much more empowered to make something on their phone and legitly escape poverty.
There was a wealth barrier to visual art; now there isn't.
Entrenched struggling professional artists cry. People needing art that weren't wealthy enough to pay for it win.
When drugs become fabricateable at home by anyone, drug companies will also cry. People that weren't wealthy enough to pay for them win.
Same thing.
Poor artists.
But when you're the one no longer paywalled it's a different story.
You could always have commissioned an artist to work with you on your project, there's tons of artists who work for very reasonable prices and your game wouldn't look like an incoherently mishmash.
And I could commission a portrait artist instead of taking a selfie with my phone.
It all depends on your objectives and budget. For many people a few hundred bucks are just too much. And for a small payment (like 5-25 bucks) most commissions will return much worse results that the AI. For a result actually better we would be talking about an amount of money that obviously not everyone is capable to pay.
Okay ideaguy!
Yeah, if you take a selfie with your phone the result will most likely not be something you'll be hanging up on any walls.
If you care about the art you're making (a video game) you should probably invest in it and try to make something worthwhile.
Alternatively you can also make asset flip tier garbage with generative model outputs.
I'm not used AI because i mostly do games with pixel art and AI is shit for that.
But I do my shit tier pixel art done by myself. I cannot hire anyone for a shitty game that I'm just going to post online for free. Not everyone is monetizing everything they do. And if I'm not monetizing I'm not investing money into it either.
absolute respect for making your own art; no matter the tier.
"Oh you could always simply spend thousands and thousands of dollars commissioning an artist to create artwork for your game you are building on a zero dollar budget and will most likely return $0 regardless of if the art is AI or commissioned"
Gee that's really tempting.
If your tiny solo project needs thousands and thousands in commission you might need to join an actual team or lower your scope.
Which is why you would not be able to do what I'm doing.
Using AI Art, i do not need to already be that profitable studio like you would. My 400 current cards are basically beyond what you could do. I could up the number to 4000 without it costing me a cent.
This is exactly my point. I can, because of no paywall, create what I want.
"If you did what I did you could also shit out asset flip tier garbage!"
There are limits to what one person can do well, you're just choosing to barely half-ass the thing you're doing.
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Fuck AI art, honestly. I find the idea of using AI for instance in microbiology for finding combinations of proteins awesome, and so is it being used to help people learn and improve. For instance, when I don't understand concept in like math and engineering, I ask AI to give me advice. But using it for 'art' is honestly disgusting. It steals personality from art.
Scientific applications, espcially needle-in-haystack, or insanly huge data sets in general, are the best use for AI that I've seen.
I have also seen artists use generated backdrops for art with a character they drew, and I have though about giving a generator a confusing prompt for an audio clip, so I can edit it, then turn it into a soundfont, or make it into some other kind of muscial tool.
But yeah, "clouds in sky, sunny, high definition digital art backdrop" is easier to type than learn how to make, but it is a starting point for some. Fine by me, as long as it's a tool/element, rather than the piece itself. And LLMs are not to be trusted past a similar point either. They are ok usually for asking where to start, when even that isn't known, or easy to word. They usually give horrible results beyond a what to search for tho.
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side note: ChatGPT many moons ago was asked "How difficult would it be to overthrow the US government?" The response started with "It would be very difficult to overthrow the US government," followed by a lot of hooplah about how much access to weaponry and intelligence the military has. I stopped using it shortly after, as it was kind of rude about the question asked, and had no clue what fruiger aero is, outside of an old font/typeface... I'm extremely disappointed in the corpo LLMs tbh.
Plaigerism isn't the problem. This society that makes living so hard that you need to snatch every crumb, that's the problem.
Great artists have been stealing and sampling since forever. It really isn't a big deal unless you're broke.
I think "plagiarism" refers to taking credit for the work of others. Using other people's work to make your own isn't "plagiarism" if you give credit. This doesn't mean AI is good, just that "plagiarism" isn't the correct word.
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