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President Biden signs 1st federal anti-LGBTQ+ bill in nearly 30 years (www.out.com)

submitted 1 week ago by CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml to c/politics@lemmy.world

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This new bill, signed into law by President Joe Biden, includes a provision that limits access to gender-affirming care services for the children of people serving in the military.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 211 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

The bill just "includes" the provision? Nobody put it there, it's just that new language often spontaneously erupts in a piece of legislation?

And why the vague language of "limits access to gender-affirming care services". What's actually in the bill is no more complex and a lot more clear. Are psychological gender-affirming services still available? Yep. Are puberty blocking drugs still covered? Yep. All that's blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren't yet capable of giving proper consent.

Tell the whole story or GTFO. Debating Biden's complicity is fine, but don't skip the Republican's role with the passive voice like you're CNN describing how more violence just "erupted" in Gaza. Don't hide what's actually in the bill and potentially cause trans kids to not bother seeking medical services because they were misled by your hack politics.

This is not legitimate outrage at the legislation. If it were, you wouldn't have left out the main protagonists, what's actually in the legislation, and the entire story. It's just mastebetory outrage bait meant to divide the left which is (surprise) the entire reason Republicans forced the issue to begin with.

If you're not already a right wing troll, you should go find the people who pay money for posting this kind of garbage.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

All that's blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren't yet capable of giving proper consent.

I've been upset about restricting care. But if what you're saying is true, then it's VERY different from how it's been portrayed.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's because IT'S NOT TRUE. Procedures "that could result in sterilization" could apply to anything the controlling administration wants it to apply to. It's rare and is influenced by long-term usage, but at least some scientists believe HRT can result in sterilization. And the UK just banned new prescriptions for puberty blockers for trans kids only because they have a shitty report that says the science isn't settled about side effects and it could (they claim) result in sterilization. And we can point out that's not true and it's extremely safe and 99 out of 100 doctors agree, but they'll give the 1 doctor a megaphone and say as long as it's not clear we need to ban them.

These fucking minimizers always more worried about outrage being faked than the harms being caused. "Hey, black people, stop with this 'masturbatory outrage' they're just going to give you your own separate but equal facilities."

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Trans people and LGBTQ magazines aren't drumming up "illegitimate outrage" for Democratic complicity in passing anti-trans legislation. They had veto power in both the Senate and the White House and let it sail right through because it was easier for them.

And I've definitely edited out the personal attacks for posting such an offensive comment. But you certainly goddamned deserve them.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My comments were mostly directed at the summary, although a couple criticisms apply to the article as well. As I said, it's legitimate to discuss how complicit Biden is, and you can add the Senate to that as well. The problem is doing it in the context of incomplete and misleading information about what was actually in the bill, who put it there, and why. Such a discussion does more harm than good in the ways that I explained.

The bit at the end was perhaps over the top, but it's not wrong that this kind of reaction against the Democrats is exactly why the Republicans put it in the bill.

You weren't privy to the negotiations, so your commentary that Democrats just passed it because it was "easier" is entirely speculation. Stating that as fact is something I consider offensive. It also didn't just "sail right through". The negotiations took months, and the negotiations on such a bill don't end until the votes are known. The actual process of calling the vote is irrelevant. I criticize Democrats myself, but not for things I just make up in my head.

[–] elrik@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Exactly. This headline could also have easily been "Republicans hold government funding hostage to force first federal anti-LGBTQ legislation in nearly 30 years."

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The bit at the end was perhaps over the top, but it’s not wrong that this kind of reaction against the Democrats is exactly why the Republicans put it in the bill.

OH WELL THAT'S OK THEN.

Hey, I've got an idea MAYBE FIGHT TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BILL THEN. "They made a really damaging modification, oh well, guess we just have to take our (well earned) beatings then, we've tried nothing and we're all out of options."

And fuck you Out magazine isn't blowing things out of proportion to harm the Democrats. The HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren't just making up things in their head. Your capitulating ass doesn't get to decide when LGBTQ people are allowed to get upset at the representatives they support and voted for throwing them under the bus. YOU, who is postulating on complex negotiations behind closed doors that tried their best but simply couldn't find a way to say "that's unacceptable" are the one who is actually making things up.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 89 points 1 week ago (20 children)

They start with the weakest and most vulnerable and then they work their way out to the rest of us.

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 80 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck off Joe. Stop doing Trump's dirty work for him.

Pocket veto that shit.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This whole thread is fucking disappointing. Yes it's super shitty that tricare isn't going to cover trans kids. We just had a budget showdown where Elon fucking Musk tried to tank the entire nation. Biden signed this shit and said he hated that he had to do it because it excluded trans kids.

I'm no Biden fan but holy shit get your course corrected and get ready friends because this ain't shit compared to what's to come.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Agreed. The political ignorance of the common American is why it is so easy able to drive these wedges.

Anyone pissed at Biden about this is not a politically smart person and are easily manipulated becuase they not only lack political intelligence but lack the ability to gauge their lack of political intelligence.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (22 children)

They could have just not funded the government/military, I would be fine with that.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is who he is, a pushover.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think it's pretty well known that the democrats do not have spines.

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Democrats say the American public doesn't need the 2nd amendment anymore, but here they are proving to your face that when push comes to shove, no one will be coming to help you when your lawn has a mob of 61 MAGA coming to lynch you for whatever delusional reason they manufacture.

We are on our own.

SocialistRA.org

You're gonna die of old age soon biden, but your garbage legacy will linger forever in the history books like shitting on the pages and slamming the book shut.

A cowardly empty shell of a man to the bitter end.

Enjoy hell you piece of shit.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Agreed.

Biden's legcy will be bringing a bit of the Israelis geniocidal hatreds home to rot the core of the US. Enshitifying the western world order and democracy itself with the same pathetic "bipartisanship" centrism and selling out that has defined his entire career and been a plague on all of us. An old white bigot with no relevance, intent on sitting in a chair that was always too big for him. At best he was not Trump. And thats about all he will be remembered for.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The fuck? Did Joe fall and bump his head?

🤦‍♂️

Edit: I see why...

almost $900 billion defense bill

Yup, gotta keep the Military Industrial Complex going... 🙄

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If he vetoed the bill over this, Congress probably just wouldn't pass a bill to fund the military! It's must pass! This is our one shot! /s

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 9 points 1 week ago

And as we all know, if the military goes without approved funding limits, it completely breaks down and becomes useless overnight.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Sure would be nice if every single citizen of the united states gets to personally bitch slap every member of congress, presidential cabinet, vp, pres, etc... When a completely unrelated thing gets shoved into a bill.

There is 0 reason an (hypothetical) infrastructure bill for new sprinklers in hospitals needs to include a provision that Wisconsin dairy farms get a new milking machine. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. So why are they in the same bill.

If you want it to be a bill, put it in its own separate proposal.

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[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

With allies like these on Lemmy who the fuck needs enemies. So anytime we want to throw trans people under the bus just add it to a funding bill? Would y'all be singing the same tune if these provisions targeted gay people? Black? Jewish? At what point does an anti trans law cross the line for y'all? How many rights do we have to lose before you'll speak up?

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bro... the genocide. All lines have not only been crossed but erased forever as the Democrats ratchet the USA to the right.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

I mean, they've already signed off on wholesale genocide, it's pretty clear they have no lines left to cross.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, with the incoming terrorists that will be running things in a few weeks, brace for a lot more.

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Joe Biden over here complying in advance.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This guy was everyone's hope?

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I despised him before it was cool. So yay me I suppose.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

None of you read the article or the white house quote. This is a purposefully misleading headline. Bill was poisoned by gop, if he doesn't sign it a shit load of other things are fucked, by design from conservatives.

None of you are adults, man. Gop is a cancer. You have to amputate your leg. Yes, you stop cancer spreading, but you lose your leg. Designed so that you're fucked either way, but the other way, you die. Grow up.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As a detail that's missing from the article and kinda sorta lied about in the headline, it seems like this gender-affirming care was introduced in 2016 by the Obama administration as part of other additions of transition-related care.

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