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As another commenter has said, this is likely just a feature of the interface and not a reflection of what other users see.
But you should keep in mind that, due to the nature of federation, your posts are copied to all other instances that are federated with yours—which in theory includes not just lemmy instances but any software implementing the ActivityPub protocol. Whether those instances actually remove posts you’ve marked as deleted is up to their discretion.
you're right, so that means that the admins of the servers that each lemmy instance uses are responsible for deleting or purging deleted content that can be undeleted? thanks
I believe that an out-of-the-box lemmy instance will remove deleted content from federated instances automatically.
My point is just that site maintainers can modify the software to do whatever they want, or run software that implements ActivityPub but whose functionality is completely different from that of lemmy.
It would be really nice if this information was super explicit when one joins a community. In the default interfaces. And that users get a notification if community settings change.
It's not a community setting or feature. It's a fact of the internet.
If you publish something to someone else's website, you no longer have any control over it. And federation means publishing your content on thousands of websites, many of them not even running the same software. Your comments are out there on mbin sites, Friendica sites, Hubzilla sites, Mastodon sites, Misskey sites, and many others. Someone's pribably got a custom web server they developed, slapped some ActivityPub inside of it, and didn't bother to make it even understand delete requests.
This is the internet. It is public, and it is forever. You really need to treat it as such.
Yes, but all that is true for Facebook, Reddit and whatever. It's still nice to have this feature in the "reference" implementation of Lemmy. I think. Then it will also be easier for instance owners and moderators to follow any local laws that requires this.
I don't know if this is already in the ActivityPub protocol, but it would be nice if all instances who has a copy of some content, deletes it, if it has been marked "request for deletion" by the creator or the owner of the instance where it was first posted. There will always be actors that store specifically all posts that's been marked for delete, but I still think this is preferable.
That's the way it is. That's what this meant.
I believe that an out-of-the-box lemmy instance will remove deleted content from federated instances automatically.
It's not a setting that available to admins out of the box, and someone tweaking their instance not to process the request for deletion from the ActivityPub protocol can't really be detected from the outside, and sure won't be published.
Once it's out there in the fediverse, you can assume it's there to stay.
Yes, but it is still preferable to have this behavior. Just as I think it's preferable to have "please do not track", even though it's being removed now. See my other reply. 99% will use the reference implement unless it sucks.
You should still warn users that what you post on the internet probably stays on the internet. Somewhere.
You're asking for changes to software to prevent changes to software. The whole point of this thread is that server owners can make whatever software changes they like.
By default things get deleted. Don't count on that for any platform. Once together put something out on the public Internet, there's never a guarantee it'll go away. No matter what anyone does, I can always take my phone out and take a picture of what you've posted before you delete it.
I don't understand what you mean. I don't count on anything. See my other reply.
If I get it correctly then that deleted post is only visible to you in case you want to undelete it.
ok thank you!!
Why is it designed this way? Someone could upload illegal materials for example and that content still remains on the server. Wouldn't that be a huge liability for instance hosters?
Admins can purge users/posts/comments, which actually deletes it from the server
it shouldn't have to be the responsibility of the admins to do this though
Well that's good
Because it takes a bit for the request to delete to get sent to every single instance that might have duplicated the post. It then takes time for the post to be deleted, assuming the instances that receive the request to delete follow the request. Also YOU yourself will still see the content because you will have the option to restore it if you didn't intend to delete it.
Same for when you post. I've noticed about an average of about 20 minutes before my posts are visible on other instances.
In the future, I would recommend assuming that anything you post to Lemmy or any other website/social media will be up there forever because once it's out in the open, it may be entirely impossible to remove every single instance of that post from every single thing that copied it. The server may be malicious itself and not honor any deletion requests, as well as users who may have seen the post archived it themselves.