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[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Which God? There are so many to choose from.

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Perfection is a malleable thing. To Christians humans are made in gods image, including emotions. In the minds of people they only think of the emotions that are reflected by god as the positive ones; like caring, empathy, love, ect. But if you take into account that god made everything it is reasonable to say that god gave us the negative emotions as well, since Satan (gods creation) harbored these feelings when it made Adam and eve sin in the garden of eden. Even if god only has positive emotion it does have emotion.

[–] Hazzard@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm assuming you're looking for a basic answer from Christianity. In that case, the TL;DR is that Humans are created in God's image. We're endowed with God's emotions, not the other way around, and emotions aren't necessarily bad, they're just corrupted in us by sin.

God experiences all kinds of emotions in the Bible, he is "jealous" for us, he's also depicted as sad or angry in many cases. Even Jesus, a "perfect man without sin" feels anger and flips the tables of a synagogue when he sees people turning that religious practice into a corrupt business.

So a religious answer to "shouldn't God be beyond human emotions?" would be that emotions aren't inherently bad. We should be angered by injustice, for example. Emotions can be bad, if you let them control you and fly into a rage for selfish reasons, for example, but they don't have to be bad.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I think killing everyone on the planet would be considered bad or ungodly. Have you seen what God did to Job? God is pretty fucked up.

[–] Hazzard@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

Politely, no one asked? OP asked a direct question, I'm doing my best to answer it, and you're... dunking on me about a point nobody was talking about?

At best, this is an odd non-sequitur. At worst, it's toxic behaviour meant to shut down any discussion about a topic you personally dislike.

[–] bokherif@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago

It’s all made up buddy

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago

You can make the characters do whatever you want when you're writing fiction.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They didn't have science back then so they were even stupider than today.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

The best answer. It really is that simple LOL.

[–] kcuf@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Most importantly is to ask why is he subject to time? Our only concept of existing or being alive is tied to time: thought is a change of state, and change is defined by a progression of time. But if God is everything, why is he subject to time? What's "outside" time?

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

In the Bible he is beyond human emotions. Even though he is portrayed as having human emotions in many instances such as in the garden of Eden or Job.

It's a contradiction of course as the Bible is caulk full of them.

Remember the Bible was written by humans who cannot fathom the mind of such a character as God. At least in the Bible. So they imbue him with the emotions they feel themselves not knowing any better and hoping the illiterate masses will simply believe the scripture wholesale. Which they did and do.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 11 hours ago

God literally says that he is a jealous god in The Bible. Hardly beyond emotion!

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 20 hours ago

Man saw his ego and named it God.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Because humans create their gods in their own image. Not the other way around. Your god becomes a reflection of what you already tend to believe because it exists solely as a justification for believing it.

If you're part of a society that believes that all outsiders are bad. You're going to invent your god that proclaims outsiders to be bad. If you're part of a group that has no sense of monogamy, you're going to create a god that proclaims "polygamy is good"!

Gods are the invented paragons of whatever society created them.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

With literally hundreds of Gods I think you're right.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Assuming we’re discussing the Abrahamic God, He used to be much smaller in scope; in fact, He was the ancient Jewish War God, back when they had a full polytheistic pantheon. So if we’re going back to the original myths, He didn’t really create humans, nor was He all-powerful or all-seeing, or ‘above-it-all’ in general.

(This is back in the days when Gods were more seen as local clan/town sponsors, like how Athena is the patron God of Athens. He was just a tribal patron god, one they prayed to in order to be safe and successful in war.)

Also, back then Gods in general were written as being much closer to humans, in term of emotions and motivations—again, Greek mythology gives a good showing of this, but you can read a lot of ancient myths and see it in play.

As Jehovah became more and more popular (due to all the wars in the region), He started to absorb many of the myths and abilities of the rest of the pantheon, which is why He seems kind of schizophrenic in the older stories. YHWH was actually the head of the pantheon, and as Jehovah supplanted Him as the ancient proto-Jewish tribes moved towards monotheism, the two Gods ended up essentially being merged with each other.

Still, back then, while Gods were seen as powerful, they were still somewhat seen as limited and fallible. In fact even today there is a strong Jewish tradition of questioning God (albeit politely and a bit indirectly so as not to get turned into salt or whatever).

But, as Judaism grew, and split off into Christianity and Islam, God’s followers began tack on more and more powers and abilities to make Him sound cooler (and increase the power of the Church). So that’s where the ‘all-seeing’ and ‘all-powerful’ Great-God-of-Everything business comes from, really.

TL;DR ‘God wasn’t all-powerful and was ‘written’ to have emotions much closer to humans when those creation myths were first being told.

[–] BlindFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Do you have any links to recommend to check out for further reading/watching? Or what search terms should help me find this the best? Ty :u

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 day ago

Because it's all made up. It's foolish to expect any of it to make sense or be consistent.

First prove that this god even exists, then maybe we can have a discussion about it's properties.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 55 points 2 days ago (7 children)

This is "no stupid questions," but asking rational questions about religion is a waste of time. In most religions, the answer ultimately "you are too stupid to understand the great plan of god."

You can debate interpretation of religious texts, or how best to follow the laws religions set down; but questioning articles of faith is fruitless.

Christianity is especially full of self-contradictions and paradoxes: can God create a rock so big he can't lift it? You can spend a lifetime poking holes in The Bible, and you will never get a rational, satisfactory answer that isn't based on a version of "you are too stupid/not meant to know."

Many religions are less paradoxical, but the monotheistic ones are mostly just an unbelievable shit-show, unless you're especially susceptible to self-delusion.

No apologies to Christians: your religion is a fucking mess. You have to be particularly dumb to read the old and new testaments and come away thinking those are the same God. That the loving, caring one who sacrificed his son for people is the same one who allowed Satan to torture his most faithful worshipper on a bet.

Buddhism and most pagan religions make more sense. Buddhism in particular lacks most of the dependency on mysticism and unprovable articles of faith, and is almost more a philosophy than a religion. Buddhists, I can respect. But Christianity is all sorts of dumb.

Actually, taken by itself, the new testament is mostly OK; if you follow only Christ's teachings, and ignore the peyote trips of post-crucifixion books, like, Revelations, it's a solid basis for a society of decent people. But Christ was a liberal socialist, which is why most organized Christianity leans so heavily on the old testament and ignores Christ's teachings of acceptance, communism, and forgiveness.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

Buddhism as it originally was, was more of a philosophy and way of life.

However, as will all organized religion, Buddhism has morphed in Tibet (free Tibet), India, and other places into mysticism with gods, recurring semi-saviors through "reincarnation", and classist systems and hierarchies. Sad, really. Humans mess everything up for personal gain and control.

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

The answer to this is going to differ heavily from religion to religion. You've already been inundated with the atheist and agnostic response. Christian theology could give you a few different answers.

The Bible could been seen as man's interpretation of God, therefore God's will is placed in terms we understand: emotions. Calling God jealous, angry, sorrowful, or joyful is a lot easier than asking you to understand a four-dimensional physical space. The latter is beyond your perception, much like understanding the "feelings" God exhibits, so it is simplified to terms you can understand.

The second potential answer would be: why wouldn't he/she be? You've made the assumption that emotions are bad or wrong, but if you throw out that assumption, there's nothing wrong with an emotional God. Maybe being "beyond that" is in fact a mistake? If he/she made us in his/her image, then of course we are given emotions similiar to God. Ultimately, who are you or I to judge whether such feelings are good or bad, or make a being imperfect?

Admittedly, I am deeply agnostic myself, because I ultimately don't buy any of the explanations I've provided here. But I've taken time and energy to understand Western theology, rather than dismiss it out of hand, and these are the explanations I suspect you are likliest to find.

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[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“There is no god but man.” - Aleister Crowley

God didn’t design us in his image, we designed him in ours.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

1 In the beginning Man created God; and in the image of Man created him.

2 And Man gave unto God a multitude of names,that he might be Lord of all the earth when it was suited to Man.

3 And on the seven millionth day Man rested and did lean heavily on his God and saw that it was good.

4 And Man formed Aqualung of the dust of the ground, and a host of others likened unto his kind.

5 And these lesser men were cast into the void; And some were burned, and some were put apart from their kind.

6 And Man became the God that he had created and with his miracles did rule over all the earth.

7 But as all these things came to pass, the Spirit that did cause man to create his God lived on within all men: even within Aqualung.

8 And man saw it not.

9 But for Christ's sake he'd better start looking.

  • from the aqualung album cover - jethro tull.
[–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

One hell of an album.

I don't believe you
You got the whole damn thing all wrong
He's not the kind you have to wind up
On Sundays

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[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Projection?

I had a car that didn't like when the weather was cold and damp. It wasn't too happy about being parked on a slope, either.

Did the car actually have human emotions? No, of course not, but as a human it was both easy and natural to frame and process it that way.

Instead of it simply being "God made made in his own image", the truth is probably that there's more than a little of "man made God in his own image" too.

[–] femtech@midwest.social 20 points 2 days ago

Yeah, all gods have been made by man.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 29 points 2 days ago

Going down the God rabbit hole is frustrating and ultimately unsatisfying. Every answer boils down to faith, which is basically belief without proof.

To paraphrase someone: If God is all-good, then God can’t be all-powerful. If God is all-powerful, then God can’t be all-good.

I probably sound like I’m being dismissive of people who believe in God. That’s not my intent. Faith can be a healthy source of strength in difficult times, and when dealing with our chaotic world. I only have an issue when blind faith is allowed to override common sense, like not getting your kids vaccinated, or drinking raw milk.

[–] Balthazar@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Christian theologians believe in the impassibility of God, which means that God does not have emotions as humans do. Then biblical texts where emotions are attributed to God are explained as anthropomorphism - God using human language to communicate his nature and actions.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

This is the answer or similar enough I got when I was Catholic

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How the hell do they explain his "love" then? Seems like they create more problems than they fix with this crap.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@slrpnk.net 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It’s all made up by humans

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