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submitted 13 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) by petsoi@discuss.tchncs.de to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

Dear Linux community,

In these unpredictable and often challenging times, I feel it’s more important than ever to pause and share heartfelt wishes. Merry Christmas to each and every one of you!

Let this holiday season be a moment of peace, where you can step back, breathe, and find some calm amidst the chaos. Take the opportunity to reconnect, reflect, and perhaps even find inspiration for the year ahead.

May your days be filled with joy, your systems stay secure, and your kernels remain stable. Here's to a festive season full of positivity and open-source spirit!

Warm wishes,

Your fellow penguin at heart.

P.S.: I had very little time, so the whole thing, was AI accelerated! Please forgive me :-)

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[–] Kena@lemm.ee 6 points 40 minutes ago
[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 22 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Your AI acceleration makes the whole thing a lot less genuine.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

yawn. So long as he used a local FOSS model there's nothing wrong with AI.

[–] fool@programming.dev 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

edit: Please be nice to each other! :(

Lots of downvotes in this reply chain. Not to be a "I don't wanna be either side" kinda guy but AI isn't all bad and isn't all good either. (Greys!)

Merry Christmasing should be a genuine hug. Even if this was made by a homegrown open-weight open-dataset inference model, it's nearly 100% low-effort generated -- holidays need the human aspect, no? Covering yourself up too much in AI takes away from the humanness with corporate diction, and people need evidence of risktaking genuineness nowadays.

On the other hand, AI is definitely useful... but elsewhere. It's not strictly anti-human even if conglomerates are using it that way, which I think you agree on. Wading through HOA using local NLP setups is human. Looking through a Mandarin thread when typical translation sucks, is human.

But there are domains for its use and there is ethical stuff to work on. This post just doesn't fit the domain too well, as others agree...

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 0 points 2 hours ago

It being proprietary isnt in the top 5 of the list of my problems with AI

[–] Kena@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The idea that AI is fine is anti-human

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

This is irrational and reactionary.

It's a take based on an appeal to nature and noble savage fallacies propogated by neolibs and marketing teams making the "organic" play with their products.

AI is just a tool, it's misuse by Corpos is something we all agree is bad, but by themselves tools do not make you or anyone else less human, nor do glasses make those of poor sight less human etc.

How the absurdity of making such a statement on a sub defined by an identity tied to a computer operating system is beyond me.

Be better.

Edit: and no it's pointless to argue, nobody changes their minds, I'm just posting stuff like this so assholes I would like to have blocked come out and make themselves known as they always do.

[–] Kena@lemm.ee 1 points 40 minutes ago

Your 2nd paragraph is just a lie made up in your own head.

AI isn’t a tool, a brush is. A brush or any other tool lets humans create. an IGA (image generation algorithm) often mislabelled as AI doesn’t let you create instead it TAKES what other humans already had created and shushes it together without regard for any artistic expression, since as a computer program, it’s incapable of art. It’s plagiarism with extra steps.

Ai as a thing only exists today because it’s in the interest of corporations to replace humans with machines in order to funnel more wealth to the owning class.

However in a society with class equality AI would be worthless. It cannot “make” anything without someone else already having made that thing first, it’s a waste of time and an erosion to society, a cancer.

You will never change because simply put, you’re not smart enough to. You’re incapable of understanding how and why you’re wrong because you lack the intelligence, education and desire to grow.

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 3 points 4 hours ago

merry Christmas friends ❤️🎄

[–] RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago

It's chrism

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 24 points 8 hours ago

Nothing says "Linux" more than paying a megacorp to steal the hard work of artists...

[–] generaledelsud@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't know why everyone is saying it reads weird or its AI slop. To me it seemed pretty normal while reading, but I guess I'm so used to everything being written by AI nowadays I didn't notice at first. How do you all spot it usually?

[–] fool@programming.dev 28 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

AI structure can be pretty obvious if you know which English weapons it loves to spam. Let's walk it through (sorry for the wall of text lmfao):

I skip the image because the chimney mistake and overdone shading is obvious

  1. Corporate style.
    • "In these unpredictable and often challenging times" -- This is very corporate. How many messages have you seen like this during the pandemic? Buuut just because it's soulless doesn't mean it's AI, but I wouldn't expect it from a community of this archetype. (ai suspicion +1)
  2. Tricolons, especially ascending. (source)
    • This is something ChatGPT loves. Essentially, there are three "things" in a sentence, sometimes clauses. Sometimes each one is larger than the last (ascending), e.g. "I honed my skills in research, collaboration, and problem-solving." And it appears a lot even in this short snippet
    • "...you can step back, breathe, and find some calm amidst the chaos". The third element is longer. Ascension spotted. (ai suspicion +2)
    • "May your days be filled with joy, your systems stay secure, and your kernels remain stable." Elements are successively syllabically longer. Ascension spotted. (ai suspicion +2)
    • "Take the opportunity to reconnect, reflect, and perhaps even find inspiration for the year ahead." Third element is longer. Ascension spotted. How funny -- three tricolons! Three three three three (ai suspicion +2)
  3. Obsession with superficial positivity.
    • ChatGPT, even when making stories about evil, is very partial to love, friendship, joy, making up, peace, tranquility, (pseudo) "unconventional" friendship. Excessive meaningless positivity is an archetype too, though ChatGPT's factgivings are usually neutral-positive.
    • "more important than ever to pause and share heartfelt wishes" Share wishes. Would a human on c/linux say something like that without elaborating further about wishing for something, perhaps death to Windows users? (ai suspicion +1)
    • "moment of peace" "find some calm" "positivity" "open-source spirit" but they never talk deeper, again. (ai suspicion +1)

So yeah this is at least 90% OpenAI. Too fuckin' bad.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I will have to stop manually typing ascending tricons. LOL. I have used them often in correspondence and documents. It was a technique taught in English class.

[–] fool@programming.dev 4 points 4 hours ago

Only if there's too many is it a worry. I use it now and then bc I LOVE things in threes (I'm not Ben Affleck I swear), but...

in the above, the tricolon bonanza is insane -- how can you fit that many in such a short text?

You probably don't need to cut down :)

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 4 hours ago

Saved, thanks

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That was really helpful. Do you have any more tips on spotting ai generated text?

[–] fool@programming.dev 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Sorry for the wall of text again c:

(CLICK HERE FOR BIG WALL)

AI text as a whole is usually structured, neutral-positive to positive shallowness. It's called slop because it's easy to make a lot of substanceless, nutrientless goo. One common structure is

Introduction

Since the dawn of time, ethics has been important.

AI Structure: Hidden Secrets Revealed

  1. Being considerate: Being considerate can help relationships.
  2. This structure: is untrustworthy. Be suspicious when you see it.
  3. Lots of broad statements: that don't say anything—often with em-dashes.

Conclusion

In conclusion, while ethics can be hard, it is important to follow your organizations guidelines. Remember, ethics isn't just about safety, but about the human spirit.

What do we spot? Sets of three, zero grammar mistakes (but useless grammar structures are allowed, but these are harder to spot), uncreative colon titles, SEO-style intros and conclusions, an odd corporate-style ethics hangup, em-dashes (the long —), and some of the stuff in that reddit link I mentioned are often giveaways.

Here's some examples in the wild:

  • Playing Dumb: How Arthur Schopenhauer Explains the Benefits of Feigned Ignorance. PeopleAndMedia. has useless headings and the colon structure I mentioned. There's also phrases like "Let's delve" and "unexpected advantage" -- ChatGPT likes pretending to be unconventional and has specific diction tics like "Here's to a bright future!" One interesting thing is that the article uses some block quotes and links -- this is rare for AI.

  • Why is PHP Used. robots.net. This is from a "slop site", one that is being overrun by AI articles. Don't read the whole thing, it's too long. Skim first. See how many paragraphs start with words like "additionally", "moreover", "furthermore", like a grade school English lit student? Furthermore (lol), look at the reasonings used:

    The size of the PHP developer community is a testament to the language’s popularity and longevity.

    PHP boasts a large and vibrant developer community that plays a pivotal role in its continued success and widespread adoption.

    ChatGPT-esque vocabulary is used (this is something you unfortunately get a feel for), and the reasoning isn't very committal. Instead of evaluating some specific event deeper, the article just lists technologies and says stuff like "PHP has comprehensive and well-maintained documentation, providing in-depth explanations, examples, and guides." So what if there's docs? Everyone has documentation. Name something PHP docs do better or worse. Look at this paragraph (SKIM IT, don't read deeply):

    CodeIgniter is known for its simplicity and speed. It is a lightweight framework that prioritizes performance and efficiency. CodeIgniter’s small footprint makes it suitable for small to medium-sized projects where speed is crucial. It provides essential features and a straightforward structure that allows developers to build applications quickly and efficiently.

    It doesn't actually SAY ANYTHING despite its length. The paragraph can be compressed to: "CodeIgniter has a light footprint". It doesn't even say whether we're talking about comparative speed, memory usage, or startup time. It's like they paid someone (openAI) to pad word count on the ensmallening I mentioned.

Before reading something, check the date. If it's after 2020, skims to be too long and not very deep, and has too many GPT tics (tricolons, vocab like "tapestry/delve", the SEO shit structure), then it's AI slop. Some readers actively avoid post-2020 articles but I can't relate.

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Text may not be AI, image definitely is. Usually everything in AI images glows slightly, like here. And the placement of Tux in the sky has no rhyme or reason.

[–] Hule@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Also, what's that L logo in a circle?

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 hours ago

Lemocratic Party

[–] Womdat10@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So, the art is obviously AI slop, but is the post body also AI? Because it reads really weird.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago

The very generic message makes me inclined to think so too

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 50 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You could have not using ai slop to illustrate your post.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago
[–] istdaslol@feddit.org 61 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Finally AI slop. Linux is now a fully grown corpo and therefore the year of Linux desktop is here

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 hours ago

In these corporate times we can stay free, share the code, and help our neighbors. Together we can share the joyous spirit of friendship, hacking, and arguing endlessly over which distro is best. In conclusion, Linux provides us with many good things, and should be celebrated.

[–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

TempleOS is the only OS corpos won't touch, It's protected by a holy shield!

[–] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

King Terry the Terrible is watching everyone that uses TempleOS and will execute anyone who misuses it with an A10 gun, the fist of God.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 8 hours ago

Nice idea but yeah, Ai stuff is a bit tacky. :)

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 12 hours ago

Reminds me of "Ahh bro I'm offended by christmas its evil, take the santa cap off vlc"