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[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 100 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I found a reddit post why sodium and potassium have 2 names:

There was some argument over what to call the elements. They were discovered by Sir Humphrey Davy who called them "sodium" from the Latin "sodanum" for a compound of sodium used as a treatment for headaches, and "potassium" from English "potash" which was the method used to extract potassium salts.

But a German chemist, Ludwig Wilhelm Gilbert, proposed "natronium" from Neo-Latin as a reference to "natron" which is what the Egyptians called sodium carbonate, and "kalium" from the Neo-Latin of the Arabic "al qalyah" which means "ashes".

So in English they were "sodium" and "potassium", but in German they were "Natronium" (now simply "Natrium") and "Kalium".

It just so happened that the guy who invented the modern chemical symbols was Jöns Jacob Berzelius. He was Swiss and spoke German, so he derived the symbols from the German names.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 39 points 2 days ago

That's almost as much fun as Davy pointlessly waffling between alumium, aluminum, and aluminium till we once again ended up with people who speak the same language using different terms.

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Is that why potassium is K on the periodic table?

And now that I think about it, sodium is Na..

Damnit, our educational system has been telling us we are wrong the whole time! Sneaky bullshit!

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Berzelius was an asshole. Antimony is Antimon* in most languages, even in German, but he chose Sb from Latin stibium

Found one more, with a similar double name, but there he used at least the German name: Tungsten (W) is Wolfram in German

[–] DontNoodles@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There are also Sn (Stannous) for Tin, Pb (Plumbum) for Lead, Fe (Ferrum) for Iron, Hg (Hydrargyrum) for Mercury, Au (Aurum) for Gold and Ag (Argentum) for Silver.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Those are just the Latin names for already known elements. Not quite the same difference imo.

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Jöns was swedish, not swiss.

[–] Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Switzerland and Sweden aren't the same country? Well God damnit, there goes my dream vacation of visiting the home of Ikea and chocolate.
Wait, now which one of them am I supposed to refer to as Swaziland?

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

In German, we also have "Pottasche" as the trivial name of potassium carbonate

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 1 day ago

And pot=pot, so potassium is 'from the ashpot' which was how kalium salts were extracted, by adding water to wood ash, then filtering and evaporating the water off.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

why call it sodium if its (Na) anyway?

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why call it silver when it's Ag anyway?

(we call it nátrium, but there's more to it than the periodic table name)

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Why call it gold when it's Au anyway ?

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

argentum would be cool name for it though, but yeah

Sodium sodium sodium sodium sodium sodium sodium sodium Batman!

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

If any one is curious about japanese, it's basically natrium ナトリウム (and potassium is kalium カリウム)

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sodium, in Romania, can either be "sodiu" or "natriu"

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

But nobody actually calls it "natriu", it's just a thing you hear once in school to help you remember why the symbol is Na and then never use it again.

[–] SaintWacko@slrpnk.net 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Estonia over there with "Natrium, but longer"

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, they don't have time to say 'sodium' in Poland. They're way too busy.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Kneel before sód

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Funny thing is hungarian also does the same. Á is the long form of a(tho the sound of it does change for some absurd reason i dont know). Tho finnish doesnt do it which is sad because then all the finno-ugric languages in europe would say it naatrium.

[–] magikmw@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

There's been wars waged for less.

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope Cyprus can at least agree on Cu.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

If not, we call always say " c u later!"

... I'll show myself out

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can we get a map of tungsten (W) next time?

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Fun fact: Tungsten ist W/Volfram in Norwegian, Danish and Swedish where its English name, tung sten meaning "heavy stone", originates from.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Just to clarify, Swedish for "heavy stone" is literally "tung sten".

I don't know if it came around for non Scandinavians.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

You mean Wolfram (T)?

[–] Manzas@lemdro.id 11 points 2 days ago

Well The Lithuanian one is wrong the person who made this couldn't even copy from google translate. it is natris

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I like the one that almost looks like "Natriguana"

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Natris, not natrio, get your cases correct.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

It's written in genitive, not in nominative.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Undecium or is it Ununium?

[–] riplin@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

Funny how they write “name of sodium (Na)”. I mean the abbreviation is right there…

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is that where the word nitre comes from?

[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

That's where the (Na) comes from. Anything starting with Nit comes from Nitrogen (N)