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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It already is.

Web Servers: Apache, nginx are far more popular then Microsofts Internet Information System.

Databases: PostgreSQL, MySQL, MariaDB are all more popular then Oracle Database or IBMs DB2

OS: Linux distros are more popular then MS Windows. Microsoft Azure runs more Linux virtual machines than Windows

[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I mean more in the consumer space, like with word processors, file hosting, and other apps/services

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I use OpenOffice and Libre Office on the regular at work.
Sorry, but Word is way way more advanced than both. Both in ease of use and extended feature set.

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure there's much of a consumer market for those products. At least not in the self-operated and self-hosted way you might be thinking. I feel like way too many of us here have major blinders on in the way non-experts or non-hobbyists approach a vast majority of technology and technology adjacent subjects.

Speaking as if I were a layman, why would I download and install a word processor when I can just login to gdocs and have it there?

And in regards to enterprise, you'd be hard pressed to find any tech crew willing to stake their career on open source, user facing tools that don't have a robust support structure in place.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago

Costa money to do all that though. That's the challenge. Bring able to fund development while still being open

[–] Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You've got Firefox and Brave. Edge + Chrome are based on the free software Blink engine, while Webkit is one of the only free software projects Apple develops and maintains. Who doesn't use VLC? Bitwarden is a popular password manager. About 50% of the world uses Android, which is nominally free software with some proprietary components. Blender is the world's most successful free software project. A surprising amount of mainstream artists use Krita. People who download torrents are probably using a free software BitTorrent client like qbittorrent, Deluge, or Transmission, rather than uTorrent. A lot of people use the uBlock Origin extension, which is a free software content blocker.

And hey, everyone who has played DOOM was playing a game released under the GPLv2 in 1999, minus the game data.

File hosting isn't really an issue of free software, because very few people will host their own cloud storage server. It's more about relying on servers to provide a service rather than software, which is a good and bad thing.

This is kind of a neutral point, but a lot of software has become services accessed through a web client (browser). This means anyone on any operating system can access the service so long as they have a browser, which evens the playing field for us SerenityOS and Haiku users :^).

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[–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have a minute to talk about our lord and savior Typst? https://typst.app

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[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Gamepass. Get me a solution to that and I'm moving right now.

I tried the cloud app and it demanded I use a controller and not kb/mouse

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[–] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Office software - OpenOffice

Free File Hosting - OpenSSH server and Filezilla

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

OpenOffice? No way... please use/recommend LibreOffice instead as OO is merely on lifesupport now.

[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah but things like OpenOffice aren't nearly as popular as Word and the like

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Big business still loves “enterprise” software unfortunately.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Im a business intelligence analysts and would love to have the opportunity to work with Tableu (not sure if its FOSS, or just OS), but everyone is on the PowerBI train, except the company I work with that for some reason goes with QlikSense that sucks.

[–] hitwright@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's not FOSS. Never actually found a FOSS BI tool alternative for the company.

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Who would pay for a database when you can get a free one?

some do pay for it. And i dont understand why.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

Just because something is available for free doesn't mean it's better for all use cases. There are cases where Oracle will perform better than Postgres (and vice versa of course).

And there's a business case for finger pointing


security issue with your open source DB install? It's either your fault (configuration), or the fault of some possibly volunteer engineer (bug). But if you pay enough, the whole thing is Oracle's problem, and you can tell investors with a straight face that it's not your fault. And Oracle are big enough that it's an easy decision to defend should something go wrong (which is something of a self fulfilling prophecy, but that's the way it is).

But yeah, whenever I need a database it's Postgres :)

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Business reasons. Some companies like to pay for licensing because that will lower the chance of getting wacked by a patent troll lawsuit. Vin addition they like being and to call someone when something goes wrong.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My university actually hosts NextCloud for faculty and students to use. It's nice to see!

[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 14 points 1 year ago

Wow, really! That's amazing! I love hearing things like that!

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me guess is a university in Europe?

[–] Cfrolich@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Sailing7@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want you all to hear about this actually good website: alternativeto.net

Type in the software that you want to replace.

Then toggle filters for your OS and if you want Properitery (paid or freemium) or FOSS.

Whole thing is based on community votings.

You can also vote down and describe with text a feedback, why a listed software doesnt really make a alternative to your software.

Or why it is a good alternative.

Sorry for bad formatting. I am writing this on mobile.

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[–] Quindius@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always suggest FOSS options when they apply!

[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Me too! I'm in the process of switching my family over to things like Bitwarden

[–] Quindius@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish I could do that, but they just don't seem to really care

[–] strawberry@artemis.camp 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

lol same. wanted to switch my mom over to ff and uninstall chrome, but she didn't wanna lose all her open tabs. bitch u don't remember what the fuck is on tab #127, you don't need it. it is what it is ig

[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You never know, she might have an index of what is on every tab in a hand-written diary

[–] msage@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Then she can reopen those tabs in FF :)

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[–] Quindius@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The sneaky play is to copy over all her tabs when she's sleeping, then see if she notices. Either that or just slowly start closing her oldest tabs and see if/when she notices, then get her to move over when it's managable

[–] strawberry@artemis.camp 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

oh yeah I close a few every time I use her phone

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[–] Kolrami@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Why though? If she already knows how to use something, the hurdle of having to deal with her complaints when something is slightly different will make everyone lose.

[–] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Godot might with unity going nuts

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Seriously considering starting a Godot User Group in my city. Very impressed with v4 (I last looked early in 3.x's development cycle and moved on because vr/ar support didn't really exist at the time) -- everything from webxr to fbx animation support and more has blossomed nicely, this is an awesome open source project and I think we're going to see amazing games coming from it soon.

Shame Unity had to shoot itself in the face for this to happen but honestly the writing was on the wall when Helgason appointed JR as CEO - it's been in a downward spiral since.

[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've been super interested in Godot for over a year now, and am really happy it's getting all this attention

[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 7 points 1 year ago

Based Blender

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sadly it will never. The average consumer does not care to do their own research, and will always fall for options with a marketing budget, even when FOSS options are similar or better quality. Now consider that often times (not always), FOSS is not up to the same quality.

Disclaimer: I always use FOSS when I can, even when lower quality.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago

But some foss like blender are actually mainstream though

[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you underestimate how upset Unity users are at the moment. I've been using Unity since 2009. It's been responsible for a large part of my income for the past decade, especially AR/VR stuff. The crazy shit Unity pulled over the last week (including removing TOS from the internet as if the fucking wayback machine doesn't exist) has poisoned any love I had. Coupled with the actors - John Riccitiello specifically - and the fact that unity has been wandering aimlessly in fractured development that leaves lifetime devs wondering what fucking versions they can ship a project with (before last week's crazyness, dots, render pipelines, all kinds of other issues) - I strongly suspect we're going to see a gigantic change in engines getting used.

As awesome as Unreal is, it's a 500lb club for mobile and other lightweight projects, and a tremendous amount of overhead for VR/AR stuff that needs to run performant to avoid nausea and input lag. There's amazing ar/vr stuff made with unreal, but it's much harder and requires ruthless, fantastic optimization.

Anyway, that's just my pov as a dev. YMMV

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[–] ccreamsonn@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Glad seeing Blender getting picked up more

[–] chic_luke@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

It's pretty heart warming when you see some organization you didn't suspect already adopts FOSS alternatives of things. I think there's value is explicitly popularizing when this happens: they will get more popular through emulation, as humans are social beings. If one piece of software is considered to be some edgy stuff that nobody uses and works poorly then few people will use it. Otherwise, the "if relevant organization / person I follow XYZ used this solution then I should give it a go" thought pattern takes place. Worked with Krita.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I like FOSS not being mainstream because it takes a special type of personality to break with standard convention and make the extra effort to learn about FOSS. This weeds out a lot of people that would otherwise turn FOSS into Facebook or Instagram. Remember how Reddit used to be ~12 years ago? Look at it now. While it's not entirely mainstream, the general population has at least heard about it, and it's slowly become the crap it is today.

I'm happy Lemmy isn't mainstream. We do miss out on some benefits of dependent on a large user base, such as specific niches, but at the same time, we have a respectful community that mostly adheres to solid values and ethical standards. People here are building a supportive community.

That wasn't my experience with Reddit for about the last 5 years. It became an idea popularity contest, where the same repeated joke was the top comment and dissenting voices were buried under a sea of downvotes. Discussions were about who was right rather than what idea made better sense for the topic. While Lemmy still has remnants of that stemming from the recent migration, but it is nowhere near to Reddit's level.

Coincidentally, I was already on my way out of Reddit when the API fiasco happened and got lucky enough to hear about Lemmy before I completely left. I'm never going back to Reddit, just like I'm never going back to FB and IG. Hopefully, if Lemmy starts becoming mainstream and the culture changes, the ability for instances to defederate will be helpful at maintaining the community-feel of this place.

[–] Oka@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ahaha, that's kind of it eh? I love foss but I also love when things work...

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Being good enough is hard work and slow going.

Being better than paid alternative is just a waiting game. At a moment's notice, they can decide they'll keep the money and give people nothing... and that's when people realize they'd rather have the opposite.

Philosophy doesn't move the needle. But it's hard to compete with free. Especially if you expect people to pay serious money just to be told "no."

Put in the billions of man hours to make them better then the paid alternatives.

[–] gronjo45@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

The chemical process industry as well as undergraduate chemical engineering curriculum really needs to show that DWSIM exists as a FOSS alternative. ASPEN is a complete load of shit and is filled with tons of bloated features... It made it hard as hell to learn a software with a billion buttons on it whilst simultaneouslyadjusting to pedantic scientific vocabulary...

I didn't even know vim existed or VScodium due to my undergraduate forcing anaconda on us. The instructors had no clue how to code and neither did the graduate students, so more FOSS options are definitely needed.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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