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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago

four thieves collective goes on 38C3 and i groan in anticipation of whatever stupid trick will they pull now https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/ASBXWW/ why they even are there

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

so openai claims to be doing great on the FrontierMath dataset. I've already seen the usual sort of dipshits using this to pump ai on reddit, and here's a post that went to the frontpage on HN:

https://xenaproject.wordpress.com/2024/12/22/can-ai-do-maths-yet-thoughts-from-a-mathematician/

(tl;dr only a few problems from the dataset are public but if representative the problems are about 25% survivable by an undergrad; coincidentally this is the % openai says their models are completing.)

this post is by kevin buzzard. he has a let's say not easily beloved personality, but I don't think of him as credulous or grifty, and people in his area regard him as an excellent mathematician.

he points out but I think does not focus enough on how discrediting the secretive nature of the dataset is. the fact that you can't make it public is necessary to run such experiments in a scientifically reasonable way, but also makes it totally impossible to run the experiment in a scientifically reasonable way. an experiment which cannot be examined or reproduced is actually the opposite of science. it's pure grift fuel

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 6 points 17 hours ago (3 children)
[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I want someone to take this and run it in a self-feeding loop, I want to see what the limit supremum of AI Imagery looks like

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Do you want agi basilisk anime girls because this is how you get agi basilisk anime girls

Honestly it's either that or some rosewattasttone level translation errors which sounds like a pretty good risk to take for me.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 16 hours ago

full service plagiarism! bet you we'll see whiteglove variant of it next

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

ZITRON DROPPED (his last post for the year)

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the identity-devouring worldcoin sphere ordered to delete user data by a german data protection office over gdpr noncompliance https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/12/19/german-watchdog-orders-sam-altmans-biometric-id-project-world-to-delete-data

On Thursday, the German data protection authority, the Bavarian State Office for Data Protection Supervision (BayLDA), concluded a months-long investigation into World and stated that its identification procedure “entails a number of fundamental data protection risks for a large number of data subjects” that does not comply with the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).

“With today’s decision, we are enforcing European fundamental rights standards in favour of data subjects in a technologically demanding and legally highly complex case,” said BayLDA president Michael Will.

is it? it's another fucking crypto scam

They have enough money to make it complex, no matter how simple the underlying issue.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

I want to say I appreciate when there's a link to the previous one, as after a week it's nice to see what substacks were posted since.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 15 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Put this up about 20 minutes late, so I'm starting off by saying Honey got exposed

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I swear to god there was a video I watched about this years ago that already talked about how they don't give you the best coupons and that they hijack affiliate links. I couldn't have made that up in my head.

The most surprising thing to me was that they're owned by PayPal? How can you have any credibility left when you're owned by PayPal, wtf, that should've been the end of them. Oh, no shit, a service owned by PAYPAL is shady and not above-board?? No way man, those paragons of user centrism, PAY-fucking-PAL.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 hours ago

they aren't called paypal mafia for nothing

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

When I was young I knew people who installed those 'get money for moving your mouse' things (this was a thing around 2000, prob combined with a 'get paid to use your computer' scam. I'm not sure if anybody even remembers this), and they never got a dime. So I always mentally ignore these things as scams. 'it is just free money' is quite the red flag.

Minor gripe with the video 'if they product is free you are likely the product' isn't true imho. You are always also the product, unless they explicitly go out of their way to make it clear you are not the product (and even then you cannot be totally sure). You can't pay your way out of the rot economy. In fact, as you are now a person who spends money, I'd think the value of your data actually goes up. A database filled with data of users who never spend a dime online seems like it would be almost useless to me.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

As someone who's never even considered interacting with any part of this whole system, this is really funny honestly. It's like a matryoshka of shady business practices.

[–] mii@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago

Wow, I’ve been saying for years that this extension is shady as fuck. Nice to see that it’s getting some attention.

I didn’t expect it to steal affiliate cookies, but that they let you control which codes it “finds” isn’t even a secret, and I thought people know this. But every time I mentioned this on Reddit I was downvoted and called a liar.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I must have been living under a rock/a different kind of terminally online, because I had only ever heard of Honey through Dan Olson's riposte to Doug Walker's The Wall, which describes Doug Walker delivering "an uncomfortably over-acted ad for online data harvesting scam Honey" (35:43).

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 5 points 8 hours ago

Well-known YouTuber Markiplier also went off on Honey back in 2019, and needless to say he felt pretty vindicated:

[–] ShakingMyHead@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago

Making money via stealing commissions from affiliate links, tbf, wasn't the business model I was suspecting from Honey. I always thought they were scamming but I thought it was going to be from selling your browsing data or something similar. Then again, they still might do that.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Holy shit. Managed to never run into them due to sponsorblock but the ways mega corps find ways to extract money out of everyone never ceases to amaze

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 6 points 2 days ago

I remember when the Dark Reader addon was advertising them years ago, they were doing their shit for a pretty long time