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[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Unpopular opinion: we need to ration electricity consumption as well as fuel today, even in capitalists countries. Because that stuff actually has incredible impact on the planet, and will (must) drive consumption down, so that companies / individuals start integrating "efficiency" into their thinking

I don't see any other solution to the "exponentially growing power consumption" problem.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

c/selfhosted has entered the chat

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[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (26 children)

Alright, where are the anti capitalist tankies defending this?

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[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Half a liter of vodka monthly? Aren't the Poles known for their consumption of vast quantities of the stuff?

[–] matti@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

Yeast is not on the list but the 2kg of sugar wasn't just for cakes I'm sure.

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 15 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Is that not a lot of sugar for how few ingredients to use it with?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Not sure. It may be that it looks like a lot simply because we're used to modern foods having sugar pre-added?

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago

I wonder how they used it. Fancy baked goods the first days, then a rush to bake long lasting good before the perishables spoil? Did widowers ask family to bake with their rations?

[–] Kvoth@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm not gonna say that's anywhere near sufficient, but as a US citizen where do I sign up

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (9 children)

To be ration-limited by what you can purchase? I'm sure that's a fad diet somewhere.

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They have almost as much sugar as starch, 2.5kg of meat, and no other protein?

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can someone calculate the calories in that? I'm too lazy.

Maybe don't include the sugar. That's a shit ton of sugar to go through in month.

[–] asqapro@reddthat.com 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ballpark estimate, excluding the sugar:

2.5kg beef: ~6265 Calories

0.5l vodka: ~1082 Calories

1.3kg white rice: ~4743 Calories

1.3kg flour: ~4732 Calories

500g butter: ~3585 Calories

300g cooking oil (Google says rapeseed oil is popular in Poland so I used that): ~2652 Calories

250g chocolate: ~1338 Calories

Total: 24,397 Calories or ~813 Calories per day

Some other people online also did the math and came up with similar numbers. For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37027027 came up with 33,063 Calories (including the sugar)

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Nice, that was super fast. I guess it's probably enough for one person to survive if they practically don't move at all the entire month, for a little while at least.

Still not pleasant I imagine.

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[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm as anti-capitalist as it comes but how the hell would this even last half a week, let alone a night with the vodka, rice, and sweets

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

These are just the goods that are rationed/limited. These were the goods with the highest demand and lowest supply. There are unrationed goods that could still be purchased, like potatoes.

This makes so much more sense.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

The rice is about 6 us measuring cups worth, and 1 cup is enough for 2 people to have a meal after it soaks up a bunch of water (plus a bit little vodka and sugar for taste).

The Flour can make several loaves of bread as well, it's about 5000 Calories for that bag without considering oil added for a nice focaccia or butter and milk for a classic brioche.

If each person gets this then it can ~~be sufficient~~ last a week or two, but I assume it was supplementary in nature.

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Vodka and cigarettes are not necessities. Different times, obviously. If the vodka was being made either from potatoes or grain, even if of lower quality, those would be better put towards adding extra available calories for people.

p.s

This made me remember being told there was a time, my country being at war then, where cigarette packs were distributed to soldiers with a banner stamped on it that stated "Have a cigar and relax".

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

They weren't starving, most fresh produce wasn't rationed at all and was readily available. The items you see here are the just what was rationed due to supply.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Oh, she looks so happy!

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wow, I see the sugar industry was as influential there as it was in America.

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