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Summary

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy asserted that no world leader has the right to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin on behalf of Ukraine.

Speaking to Le Parisien readers, Zelenskyy emphasized that Ukraine alone determines its future and any dialogue with Russia must follow a peace plan based on strength and international support.

He warned against negotiating without clear guarantees of security, highlighting the risks of Putin resuming aggression after a ceasefire.

Zelenskyy called for a strategy ensuring Ukraine's long-term stability and security, beyond NATO or EU membership timelines.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

On one hand, I get it; it's their business and they should be at any negotiating tables that involve them. On the other, if, say, Germany made a deal with Putin to leave Ukraine alone that didn't promise something of Ukraine's to Russia, would that be bad? It's one thing to negotiate with shit that doesn't belong to you, like promising Russia can keep Donsk or some shit, but if they just sold them something of theirs to get them to fuck off, that would be helpful would it not?

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

That gives Putin an incentive to invade a different country to get more benefit.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 116 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (59 children)

I am so sad by how Ukraine has been handled.

The West should have been an overwhelming power against Russian imperialism. Ukraine should have been given everything from the beginning, no strings attached, with no self-imposed red lines.

They will swallow another democracy in 10-20 years and the cycle repeats.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 27 points 6 days ago

And that would likely have ended the war sooner, causing less people to die, and making Putin less likely to try something like it in the future.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tactically, the plan is to make Russia bleed to death rather than temporarily paralyse it.

Maximizing the loss of russian life and draining the russian economy to the point that the population won't tolerate any further war is the goal. It's unfortunate that this is at the cost of ongoing war in Ukraine.

[–] GuitarSon2024@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (6 children)

This is a solid take, but the other side of the issue is the question of how long will it take the brainwashed Russian population to realize the economy has passed a point of no return? Outside of major cities much of Russia lives in 3rd world poverty. Will they even notice if the ruble falls to zero?

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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Turns out neither the west or russia gives a shit about Ukraine.

[–] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Please be more concrete. Who is the west? Because in Denmark we throw resources at Ukraine to support their efforts.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

they'll give a shit once all other options have been exhausted, and people realize the next step is actual shooting war, with the bombs falling on Warsaw, Helsinki, Berlin, etc. When they realize they're on their last legs before the big one, then they'll take it seriously.

America is a write off, Regulatory captured by the Russian Federation / Russian Mob, Same thing At the very least until 2026 midterms. Europe is still in denial that its time to switch from butter, to guns. Literally

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[–] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

The comments are peak internet dumpster fire 🍿

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