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Grocery prices are expected to rise globally as soil degradation, driven by overfarming, deforestation, and climate change, reduces farmland productivity.

The UN estimates 33% of the world’s soils are degraded, with 90% at risk by 2050. Poor soil forces farmers to use costly fertilizers or abandon fields, raising prices for staples like bread, vegetables, and meat.

Experts advocate for sustainable practices like regenerative agriculture, cover cropping, and reduced tillage to restore soil health.

Innovations and government subsidies could mitigate impacts, but immediate action is critical to ensure food security.

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[–] viralJ@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Why is "unproductive" in quotes?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I guess journalists are finally implying nuance exists.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not many people have mentioned this so I guess I'll bring it up:

The two major factors negatively impacting sustainability of agriculture are

  • Ammonia (NH3) is mined as a way to enrich agriculture with Protein, more specifically the ammonia bonds with nitrogen allowing plant development, but it's not exactly infinite. Synthetic Ammonia can be produced but is extremely emission heavy as it is often a petrochemical byproduct with the vast majority of Hydrogen (H) is produced from fossil fuels refining.

  • Modern Invasive Pests/Disease are commonly spread across continents. Lack of plant biodiversity leads to viral outbreaks called "blights" which can lower or even wipe out entire regions of crops. Invasive species most notably insects can plague regions for years without any natural predators. Globalization and Industrialization have created these hurdles, but the yield of such practices are absolutely necessary to feed the current human population.

There are no solutions except reducing the human population. Which isn't going to happen, because people are stupid animals and the people we've empowered all over the world are morons who cannot read the writing on the wall.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This isn't even true. The carrying capacity of earth for people hasn't been met. We can absolutely engineer things to be both sustainable and livable at current populations. Rhetoric that advises we "depopulate" is borderline neo-fascism, the same stuff Christians say to bring on the apocalypse.

James Cassidy at Oregon State University has his SOIL lecture series on YouTube. We have many ways to repair our soil and to improve farming. Killing people/ "depopulating" isn't one of them. Shame on you.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm saying we need to have less kids and you're saying that belief is christofascism, lmao

Despite many noteworthy christofascists supporting population growth such as Elon Musk.

Have fun engineering an entirely new way to supply food for over 7 Billion people that nobody has ever tried before. I look forward to your results. It's a good thing you were taught by the world's greatest minds over on fucking YouTube.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Read again, he's a soil scientist and professor at OSU that made his lecture available for free on YouTube.

You didn't say "less kids," you said smaller population.

And I can see how much of an appetite you have for learning things that aren't "kill kill death death," so yeah. Won't waste more of my time explaining. You can't even be bothered to understand that professors can post lectures online.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

And you, after watching a couple of lessons on YouTube, are here lecturing me despite knowing absolutely nothing of my qualifications. I retract nothing.

“kill kill death death,”

You're the first person to mention killing or death in this entire thread.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Gee, spoke about heavy metals being deposited in our fields via exhaust and tractor tires a while ago and was called stupid. It's not stupid, tractors are bad for soil and should be replaced with drones.

[–] shottymcb@lemm.ee 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wow, I didn't realize drones had gotten powerful enough to plow, seed, and harvest. That's amazing, do you have any links to plowing drones? Sounds cool.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

The entire point is to not plow ever. It's bad to penetrate the soil.

We have drones that can farm. I'm not going to list them all because it's clear you lack any foundational knowledge and just need a summary, so here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_drone

My own family uses drones in farming here in the US. Not for everything, yet, but gee, if our government would fund it, it would happen immediately. Idk how this is surprising.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 128 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This weeks excuse for the billionaires to increase their take.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's no joke: conventional Ag is extremely tough on soils, and depletes soil organic matter, and reduces topsoil thickness though ploughing. Add on top of that contamination from various sources (not just Ag) and the picture is bleak.

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

conventional ag

Industrial farming is incredibly harmful to the soil. There are other methods that are far less harmful and can actually be beneficial to soil health, the problem is they don't scale well.

There is a great YouTube channel called No-Till Growers that really goes into some cool farming methods that are much less destructive

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hNyu4_RWGZo

Edit: this is probably a better video and I think it's in a playlist about soil health. But honestly all of his videos are great

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4aZhevnaLWw&list=PLGMgkMLKOtWv0efQXhQtuu01WfWL5yBDf&index=1&pp=iAQB

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Conventional Ag is a method, distinguishing it from regenerative Ag etc.

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[–] b3an@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Right?? My first thought was, another excuse to raise prices and shrinkflate even more. Because that’s the solution! 🤬

[–] emmanuel_car@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And do nothing to fix the problems their capitalism creates.

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[–] vikingr@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"Here's how the millennials' love of vegetables is destroying the planet"

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“Fewer Millennials are farming, and that’s bad for everyone.”

[–] vikingr@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

"Here's why feudalism is the remedy for selfish, lazy millennials."

This is gonna happen, I guarantee it 😂.

This damn country.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

[Existential crisis threatening all human life] Oh no, the economy!

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Reduced tillage is a big one. There’s a massive misconception out there that the best thing you can do for your soil is go dig it up and turn it over. Soil is alive, and tilling disrupts microbial and fungal action that contribute to its health - by physical rupture of fungal colonies but also by exposing underground life to more sunlight and oxygen. As you kill the top several inches by physical disruption, it becomes dust much more easily washed away by wind and rain: erosion.

We do it to remove weeds before planting, and loosen soil to ease germination. Planting mixed crops or cooperative cover crops are good alternatives for weeds which are massively underused. And overall we may just need to accept some immediate productivity loss in order to ensure long term survival. Farmers are smart, but not smart enough. Too much emphasis on operating tools and fertilizers to optimize yield like land is a machine you can tune, and not enough focus on reducing the need for all this with a more subtle approach with increasing long term yield but perhaps lower yield next year. With farmers always one season away from bankruptcy, you can see why they make the wrong trade offs.

Soil depletion is at the bottom of a lot of civilization collapses in event history. The whole reason the Egyptians lasted as long as they did is that the annual Nile flooding replenished their soil with minerals brought down from higher ground by the flow of water. It wasn’t just the water itself.

[–] Lag@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And overall we may just need to accept some immediate productivity loss in order to ensure long term survival.

I see a massive issue in this plan.

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[–] The_v@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The best thing for the environment and soil health is to not farm it. There is no such thing as environmentally friendly agriculture. It is always destructive.

We farm the land we do because it's profitable.

Irrigated acres make up less than 7% of the land area used for agriculture but produce 65% of the total yield.

Protected culture (greenhouses, high tunnels, etc) produce 10x to 20x more per acre than open field production.

Increasing our water storage and transport infrastructure on a massive scale, combined with expansion of protected culture could reduce our agricultural land requirements by as much as 80%. All wiithout changing our diets.

Imagine 80% of the farmland rewilded? Massive stretches of native ecosystems rebounding without fertilizer or sprays.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago (8 children)

There are ways to create sustainable farms. It’s about diversity of crops and cycling what crops are grown each year.

https://www.edibleforestgardens.com/

There is no environmentally friendly factory farming. There is no healthy market-conscious farming. There are absolutely ways to be kind to the earth and grow food for a small community.

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[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

Ahh yes. Our weekly once in a life time crisis. Right on cue.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

staples like bread, vegetables, and meat.

One of these is vastly different from the others in terms of planetary destruction.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I know! Bread, right? It's bread. right?

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Of course it's bread. Just think about the energy required to bake them!

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[–] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm gonna fucking uninstall this app I'm having a nervous breakdown fuck off i just want some memes not existential fucking dread GAAAAHHHH

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

"Why is WW3 and world-ending climate change so stressful? Can't you just post memes about Mondays and lasagna?"

There's also porn here, you know...

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

tell me about it, dude.

We're on the precipice of total collapse. Farmlands failing, Ocean Currents are collapsing, Climate change is accelerating, Intellectuals are being demonized in favor of ignorance and fascism... The possibility of WW3 hanging over us thanks to all of the previous.

the next 20 years are going to be the cursed time that "may you live in interesting times" was talking about.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How nice of you to conveniently list out all the current events worth having an existential crisis over, in a reply to a person having an existential crisis

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

They didn't list them all, the climate change one is more nuanced than that: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/sep/23/earth-breach-planetary-boundaries-health-check-oceans

Yes there are 9 planetary boundaries for us to be able to live here, and we've crossed 7 of them.

People SHOULD be having existential crises. Wtf are existential crises for if not SPECIES ENDING EVENTS? That's why we evolved to freak tf out over this, to help us care enough to address it. That you all would rather numb yourself to it is a testament to how shitty of a species humans truly are. Our ONE fucking advantage is not intelligence, but adaptability. Go on, adapt. Get this shit figured out.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

Dawg they are having an existential crisis. A bunch of us are, because just about every thread on the big communities on here remind us of how shit things are every day. I wouldn't rather be numb to it, and I'm not suggesting other people to be numb to it. I'm saying it's funny that someone wrote a comment about how much this site reminds them of all the shit going on, then someone replies directly to them with a list of more shit.

Please don't get yourself into the mindset that because everything is shit, we all have to feel like shit all the time too.

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[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Millennial and Gen-Z soil is 'quiet quitting'"

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Expected to rise? Check your receipts; they’ve been rising.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, we know. Everyone knows. But if you think this is bad, you have no idea how much worse it can get.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

dammit i had "new dust bowl" on 2025's bingo, not 2024's

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (8 children)

There’s also simply way too many people on earth as it is. My country - one of the smallest on earth- had 15 million people back in 1995. Right now, 30 years later, we’re at 18 million. And in 2037, they’re expecting 19 million.

Small numbers on a global scale, but definitely a lot of growth that’s causing issues. There’s a housing shortage, rising prices, healthcare and pensions are under threat, etc etc.

And there’s places that are much, much worse. For example, even India is encouraging population growth. When the country is still very poor. That’s going to help their economy in the short run, but it’s going to be a much larger problem down the line.

We need a controlled population decline, sooner rather than later.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Either we reduce our population in a controlled way, or nature is going to do it in a brutal one through famine, drought, and disease.

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[–] Razzazzika@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

Dustbowl part Deux: Electric Boogaloo

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Just use the animal agriculture land instead.

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