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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That comic also represents 100% of all survival crafting games, plus Factorio

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

It's true, but when I play games like Terraria, I try to preserve beautiful features of the map and even incorporate them into my builds. Like those surface cave things where it's basically floating dirt/rock with grass and trees growing on them. I often make those into the entrances of underground homes. Same with the deserts. When you get the actuators, you can make sand entrances. I also enjoy making houses in the leaves of the living trees.

[–] atocci@lemmy.world 92 points 1 week ago (7 children)
[–] sxan@midwest.social 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Factorio.

The factory must grow.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I like to describe the aliens that attack you in factorio as environmentalists.

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[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

The factory must grow

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 78 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That’s just Evil, if we build an industrial park there where will the ~~slaves~~ ~~forced labor~~ ~~work bit*hes~~

*Due to recent very public events our Public relations officer has been sent on leave with pay instead Nataly will complete this statement.

That’s just Evil, if we build an industrial park there where will the (Checks Notes) Employees park there cars?

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[–] ech@lemm.ee 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Avatr is about capitalism

That wasn't glaringly obvious to everyone?

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well it's literally Pocahontas in space so more obvious comparison is to the colonialism. They could grow gardens and farms while destroying the natives, the movie would have been the same.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
  1. Colonialism was driven by capitalism

  2. They weren't settling land - they were setting up a mining operation.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It was just one line of dialog, but the sequel did mention that the company is expanding from just resource extraction to selling settlements to the wealthiest who are fleeing a dying earth

[–] ech@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

the sequel

So not the original then. The one being discussed.

[–] hogmomma@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Like, to absolutely everyone? This ranks up there with "breathing is good."

Well acschually oxygen is a corrosive chemical and probably damages your lungs (since that's the tissue that comes in most contact with it). And also the Great Oxydation Event is probably one of the greatest - if not the greatest - mass extinction of all times, so ...

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[–] egrets@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

- Jack Handey

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah man, we all understood that the first time around when it was called Fern Gully.

Like Avatar if you want but like.... it is not a deep piece of media with hard-to-discern messaging. Shit is pretty clear.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Fucking Tarzan was fighting evil white exploiters of pristine Africa in books back in the early 1900s.

A good white saviour from the evil white people, because the indigenous can't do it for themselves. Just like in Ferngully and Avatar.

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[–] Maven@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One time I unmatched someone from a dating app because the second avatar movie was coming out and they said that it was weird of me to say that the alien people were supposed to represent Native Americans because "they're just blue aliens why would you compare them to real life?"

Apparently media literacy makes you a weirdo?

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm torn, because there's an idea that industrial capital only knows how to consume and destroy what it touches. And there's ample evidence to that effect.

But there's this other more naive notion that life never changes, species don't compete for habitat, and doing anything to alter the local ecology is this unforgivable sin. This, despite the fact that everything in the area is itself a product of eons of speciation and evolution and carnivorization.

The impulse to preserve has to be balanced with the expectation for change. The goal should be symbiosis, not stasis.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

The issue is that you're changing the ecosystems and environments so much that all those eons of evolution are simply lost. The only other times this happens is during natural catastrophes. Sure, in the long run this allows new life forms to take the old ones places, but it's still a massive loss of diversity and evolutionary knowledge - and unnecessary suffering for millions of living beings.

When species compete for a habitat, they rarely destroy it - and those species that do either don't survive for long, or they wipe out large swaths. We're actively killing almost anything in our habitats, and destroying them for almost all previous species.

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[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Holy shit! Avatar is about capitalism? How did I miss that?! I better rewatch it and see if it's a recurring theme.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wait until you learn about its subtle ecological message!

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Explore, exploit, exterminate.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Satisfactory music starts playing

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[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

Don’t forget about the part from the intro (might have been cut from the theatrical release):

They can fix a spine, if you have the money. But not from a VA check. Add $5 and you get yourself a cup of coffee.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does this imply communism wouldn't extract resources?

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

That's what I was wondering. Capitalists didn't invent exploitation of nature, it just so happened that its worldwide adoption coincided with unprecedented technological advances. There's quite a few examples of historical societies that exploited nature as much as they could and suffered for it.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, they got whales? Let’s take their brain oil for eternal life!

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Avatar is just recycled CGI Fern Gully anyway

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago

I saw the film in a theater with someone who wanted to impress upon me that someone pointed out to her how alike it was to what happened to indigenous peoples in the Americas (someone else had pointed that out to her, so she assumed I wouldn't get it on my own). I was like, if you think that's a novel observation, you really need to be hit in the face with concepts to understand things. It couldn't have been more obvious.

But maybe that highlights how much some people just aren't observant or introspective or whatever else. It would explain a lot.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

So... We manage to master space travel. We manage to master interstellar travel. We eventually find a planet with suitable environment for sustaining our species. And we just overlook it.

Can someone explain me the reasoning behind this?

Sci-fi to the side, there are more minerals available - readily - on asteroids and barren planets than anywhere else. Why go hopping around looking for habitable planets, to the reason of 1 out of who knows how many, to then strip mine it?

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

There could be many reasons:

  • The thing you are mining is actually very rare, and although it could be elsewhere, it's the only place you found it. This is the case in Avatar. The Unobtanium they are mining is not found anywhere else.
  • It's easier to mine on a habitable planet. You don't have all the extreme difficulty of operating in space or a planet/moon with no atmosphere. In Avatar workers can freely operate without any special equipment, using just a gas mask, and don't need to be astronauts.
  • You are assuming they found Pandora to mine on it. They probably found it through scientific research, and the mining angle only appeared later when the resource was found.

Another important detail is that in Avatar they don't have any faster than light tech. Pandora is in the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star to the Sun, and it takes years to get there anyway. Sure, there might be lots of better places to choose, but it's literally the only habitable body in reachable distance from Earth unless you want to spend decades flying in one direction.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

I think there's a tendency to see inter- (and intra-)stellar travel through the lens of the inter-continental expedition and colonialism. It... kinda makes sense... superficially, there's some similarities; a voyage in a vessel, going to uncharted places, kicking off a new era of settlement and extraction. For this reason, movies and games really like the comparison, cus it makes for an easy narrative the audience is already familiar with.

In reality, though, nothing about space bares any similarity to anything in our past. Everything about the expeditions to, the colonizing of, and the industrial development and extraction of the Americas? All that was couched within the biosphere, contingent on it. Movies and media and junk get to ignore that because they exist to tell a story. So what if SciFi du jour doesn't actually make sense? Doesn't harm anyone, right? Except...

...except Musk and his fanclub really like describing Mars as the next colonial outpost. They'll tell you it's only a few short decades away! And I think that's cus they don't see where the metaphor falls short. To them, colonizing Mars is just the next thing that will happen in the narrative of history. After all, it's happened once - so it must happen again right???? They don't see the sheer wall of work and resources and work and decades (probably centuries, realistically) that would have to go into it. They don't think about anything more than a superficial picture on a screen. People needed boats to cross the Atlantic, we'll need rocketships. Now that they've got rocket ships, thats most of the work done. Afterall, in movies, you just need to get there. Then the plot can advance.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (33 children)

The resource being extracted on the avatar planet was unobtanium.

It was only available on that planet, precisely so intelligent people like you can’t say “why not mine barren rocks instead”?

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Pandora was a moon, not a planet. (Doesn't change your point, just correcting the detail.)

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The realization that we probably wouldn't change how we are make me a bit glad we missed the chance to be a spacefaring civilization and are screwed here. The universe didn't need that, one planet ruined is enough.

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