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They didn't run Clinton after she lost to trump, why would they think this is any different? Harris was not picked twice for a reason, the first time in the 2020 democratic primary and the second time after the last election. PLEASE move on to someone who hasn't lost yet for a real change and a real hope to win.
This, like the Democratic party for the last few decades, is a bad joke.
What pisses me off the most is that I didn't even get to explain it. It's always funnier that way.
Didn't learn the first time around, huh?
Apparently the Democratic moto is: "We are shocked and devastated by this turn of events and we will learn absolutely nothing from this."
I am not from the US but always felt the world would be so different if Bernie was up against Trump instead of Hilary.
Is there a younger member of the Democratic party with a similar vibe to Bernie?
Yes. AOC.
She will run into the same problems as Clinton. The right has spent a decade attacking her at every opportunity so that she is a polarizing figure, whether she deserves it or not.
More CEO's will die until moral improves.
Morals are inconsistent with capitalism. Morale, on the other hand ... well, it's not high.
Of corse she should run!
So should a bunch of other democrats, some with different ideas. All the party has to do is stay out of the way and the people will choose better than they could.
Oh, you sweet summer child. Gather 'round the fire while I tell you the tale of 2016. The DNC did not stay out of the way.
Or you could learn any kind of lesson at all and run a candidate that's actually worth being enthusiastic about instead of a centrist who's still going to be seen as the second coming of Stalin by the right.
Right winger really. She got endorsements from the Cheney's. She had nothing to say about Gaza, BLM, East Palestine Ohio, the housing crisis, ir anything else that mattered.
youre right, but choose a candidate because theyre good, not someone based on how the right will respond. Literally any candidate is going to be portrayed as Stalin by the right.
I said that because they're picking centrist candidates as a fig leaf that's just going to get shit on anyway. It's time to start putting actual leftists in office, not only because they should be there but because this "strategy" of trying to bridge the gap with modern day McCarthiests is stupid.
the most plausible explanation I've seen so far - credit to this post (from one of the hosts of the 5-4 podcast) where I saw it first:
my suspicion is that Kamala is floating a CA governor run or 2028 run not because she thinks she has a chance but because it will help convince wealthy donors that it's still worth buying influence with her and thus help her fundraise to pay off her campaign's debts
but also Kamala ending up as the nominee wouldn't surprise me. if it's not her, there'll be a different "establishment" Democratic candidate that the DNC puts their thumb on the scale for. 2028 seems likely to be yet another "this is the most important election of our lives, it's crucial to the future of the country that you vote for whichever Democrat we tell you to vote for, now shut the fuck up and stop complaining".
Yeah, this is what I'm resigned to. Which is pretty much Trump-lite: No structural change, just nibbles around the edges. Great for cunnilingus, not politics.
And the ratchet clicks like three full rotations
I don't care who is in the primary but we need to get rid of the superdelegates
I really want us to stop throwing the same candidates back at the wall over and over.
I do think Harris got the short end of the stick, elections internationally show a significant "we'll take the other guy" vote (regardless of who the other guy is). I wish the people voting paid a bit more attention to who "the other guy" is and what they're actually proposing.
I don't have nearly this distaste for the party's platform that you do; I actually really like it ... we just need to get enough people in office that they can actually legislate without having to caucus with Republicans or on the edge Democrats.
Honestly though, I think Sanders or AOC would get obliterated. They're beloved by progressives but this country is just not a country of progressives. I think the last election showed undeniably that the economy rules when it comes to US elections.
Edit: intentionally -> internationally (dumb phone)
GOPers are always historically worse for the economy.
If campaigns were run purely on facts, the GOP probably wouldn't exist at this point.
Yeah, but they're way better at marketing that they're good for the economy. This election was lost (I'm convinced anyways) on the grounds that too many people thought Trump would be good for the economy.
Anyone who thinks Trump will be good for anyone other than Trump is delusional. But it's the sane who get committed.
OK, what's their platform? Because if you've seen one recently, I'm willing to drive to find it.
We need full-on systemic change, not just saying we'll be nicer than Trump. If we have an election in '28, that's not going to hold a lot of water. This is FDR shit time, not saying oligarchs should totally have the power they've amassed, and maybe I can get an extra $5.
I hate saying it but I don't think a woman can win. There's too many patriarchial fucks in this country that might vote democrat, but not for a woman.
I recognize this as a factor but I don't personally think it's a result changing factor except in the closest races. I think it's because the 2 women that have had the closest opportunity have positioned themselves as defenders of the status quo when the people clearly want change.
If we do have a 28 election, surely they'll have a primary and not just run whoever the leadership picks and proceed to campaign on our civic duty to prevent fascism (every 4 years)
Yeah, I think they just want to lose at this point. Maybe that was always the point.
Holy fuck nty. Anyone noticed how invisible she's been the election? Not really a galvanizing, new generation defining leader. Just another ambitious party member playing her role. Make room for someone who will do better for us.
I hate the democrats sooooooooo much. They are just gods damn out of touch.