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Readings on the Crusades et. al. through a Realist lens? (www.youtube.com)

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Ok so I watched this video and it actually did a really good job at explicating the context of the crusades in ways that a lot of school history readings didn’t for me. I've been notified that the channel is apparently a MAGA pipeline, and I don't necessarily endorse all views held in that channel, but I had to admit: it was refreshing seeing the Crusades explained through a rational, realist lens rather than just chalking it up to "evil bad man kill nice foreign people". And it got me wondering: does anybody here know any good books or book series on ancient European history - the Crusades, the Inquisitions, etc. - that don’t use objectivity as a facade for bashing Western culture? Like, books that use realism and rationality to explain the choices made and provide context into them? I'm looking for stuff as comprehensive as possible. I’m thinking something similar to Shelby Foote’s Civil War trilogy but with European history. Fairly detailed, objective, etc. Thanks in advance!

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

So...

The propaganda made you feel better about a historical event. So you believe it and are spreading a channel that you know is propaganda...

This is literally the point of propaganda, and you're somehow falling for it despite seemingly being aware.

That. Or you're maga already and attempting (poorly) to pretend not to

Like, there's no "realism or rationality" on a maga YouTube channel mate

[–] Volkditty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

But it can't really be propaganda if it makes me feel good about myself, because I'm too smart to fall for propaganda. If this tells me what I want to hear it must be true...

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you really believe that crusades were because christians just wanted 'go war on brown people' or something along the lines?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you believe doughnuts are the best spaghetti-o's?

And I know what you're thinking. Youre thinking you never said anything of the sort and you're wondering why I'd ask you.

That's the same feeling I had when I read your comment

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe -2 points 1 week ago

I do, any other questions?

[+] ChildeHarold@lemm.ee -8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I missed the part of this where you make a book recommendation.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

does anybody here know any good books or book series on ancient European history - the Crusades, the Inquisitions, etc. - that don’t use objectivity as a facade for bashing Western culture? Like, books that use realism and rationality to explain the choices made and provide context into them?

Considering you think a maga propaganda channel on YouTube is "realistic and rational", no I do not know of any similar presented books on the topic. The people who consume and create that propaganda aren''t really book people, click bait YouTube is more their speed, so that's where this type.of propaganda mostly is

The crusaders were fucked and Western Europe was the bad guys while Arabians in the middle east were the victims.

The only people who present it differently are lying.

Sometimes history makes you feel uncomfortable, that's when it's most important to learn about. What you want is the opposite: fake facts that make you believe everyone that looks like you are always the good guys and never the villains.

If you're being honest, you're just starting down a dangerous parh, so just don't walk down it

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago

Never seen "evil bad man ..." opinion, as for the books world history school books in your language should cover it. 🙃 Alternatively try "Oxford Illustrated History" series it's really good.