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The original post by @spujb@lemmy.cafe was a woman wearing a shirt that says "Italians do it better". Someone asked what they do, and drag explained the joke as best as drag understood the intention, though drag disagrees that Luigi killed that CEO. It's not a call for violence, it's an explanation of a joke. Other people interpreted the joke the same way.

Less than an hour later, Flying Squid banned drag for that explanation, and for saying Luigi is not guilty. According to Flying Squid, referencing the CEO shooter case and saying Luigi didn't do it is a call for violence. Expressing support for Luigi Mangione is a bannable offense on LemmyShitpost.

EDIT: The Picard Maneuver responded to drag's appeal and reversed the ban. Drag will be deleting this post as it is no longer relevant to the current state of affairs on Lemmy Shitpost.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Joking or alluding to it is seemingly fine. Just don't straight up say "kill billionaires" like Drag, I guess. Because plenty of others, including myself, have been making jokes with the same sentiment and we're not banned nor have had our comments removed.

With the way Drag usually talks in 3rd person, I kinda feel like it's just an excuse to ban the dude because someone finds him annoying. This is also the first time I am seeing FlyingSquid being called out for banning someone, and it actually isn't just someone who said some bigoted shit and got mad at facing consequences.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Yeah, the ban reason looks like it was more of a final straw thing than specifically about that one comment.

I don't mind drag much, as long as I remember not to engage about some things. But they stir shit often enough I can imagine a mod just hitting a limit.

Fwiw though, eat the fucking rich doesn't work as well when they're running away, so you kinda gotta bring them down first ;)

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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Kind of off topic, but he wasn't a billionaire. Not saying he was poor, he still has so much money that most of us will never see, but imagine that Elonia has 7,000 times more than him and still hangs out around trump to get even more.

The wealth inequality is crazy high right now.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 14 points 2 weeks ago

They are pretty annoying, to be fair, I can't blame Squid for having enough.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You were banned for saying "Kill billionaires".

Not for saying "Luigi Mangione isn't guilty tho".

Even if you didn't mean it as an invitation or incitement to homicide and merely as an answer, completion, or riff to the previous statement, on its own it can be interpreted that way.

I'm rooting for Luigi too, I don't feel sorry about the death of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, and I do think billionaires shouldn't get comfortable with profiting from our suffering. But the mods reserve the right to remove stuff they feel could get them in trouble, chances are someone did interpret it this way and made a report (wasn't me I swear). There may be certain contexts, communities, instances, where this is allowed but you will have to determine that or ask.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

One would have to be a moron to take that as an imperative rather than as an answer to the question. That's bad moderation.

[–] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I think you're being a little bit facetious; surely you can see that while yes, you technically answered the question, you didn't phrase it in the form of an explanation. I'm not pearl-clutching and accusing you of condoning the murder, but that response was pretty obviously toeing the line at best.

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[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago

You were banned for being a pain in the ass and constantly accusing users of being transphobic, just like the other places you’ve been banned

Are you sure you’re not dronerights?

[–] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Squid called me a facial analysis expert because i said i didn't think Luigi looked like the suspect photos lol

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -1 points 2 weeks ago

So it's a pattern of Squid getting on the case of people who think Luigi didn't do it?

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

While I'm personally inclined to agree with drag that that was quite clearly answering a question and not an imperative, I also don't think that it should be frowned on to protect the instance one moderates from potentially being taken down.

Lemmy is still (relatively) small enough that it can fly under the radar, but that's not going to last forever.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -5 points 2 weeks ago

Well, maybe someone who reads the context on comments could take over protecting the instance and give Squid a break. He mods so many communities, it's clear he's overworked.

[–] Fitik@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago

Good that so, I am surprised how many mods just straight up ignore or support glorification of violence, respect to him for enforcing the rules consistently even if it's an unpopular decision

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago

Squid participates in mod abuse, but you're clearly arguing in bad faith.

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 0 points 2 weeks ago

Power mods gonna power trip ...

[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

PTB.

If ending a joke is promoting violence, where are the bans of the people defending Harris, Biden or the Democrat party, for promoting a violent genoocide ?

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 0 points 2 weeks ago

And where are the bans for the people saying Luigi should be locked up? Imprisonment is a violent act.

[–] RonnieB@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who's big as titties are those though?

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org -3 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

So you were explaining the joke, sure. But then added your opinion that the pertubator didn't do it and wasn't guilty of committing that crime?

That's borderline a call for violence which is against the rules of that community. Sorry but YDI and you should do better.

[–] 3dogsinatrenchcoat@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

well he's innocent until proven guilty and he hasn't been proven guilty yet, has he?

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well you got a point there.

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