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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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As per .world worldnews mod, no discussing naughty stuff like jury nullification.

While this post is blowing up, here's the book referenced by the shooter:

Delay Deny Defend - Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It

By request: Full, uncensored video of the shooting. (Fucking obviously NSFW)

Jury nullification: A practical FAQ

Do I have to answer questions about jury nullification?

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 329 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Nullification is your duty when the law is unjust. Also not illegal

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 49 points 2 weeks ago
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[–] Drusas@fedia.io 277 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

wtf

Jury nullification is legal.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 86 points 2 weeks ago

Yep. Mods power hungry just like on reddit. Federated platforms exist to not have to deal with this BS.

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[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 204 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It's a TOS violation to discuss one of the very real and legitimate responsibilities you have as a juror?

Like, nullification is a thing because it's very much the absolute very very last defense against bullshit laws being used against people by a corrupt judicial system.

It's a moral imperative and something anyone sitting on a jury should understand and be willing to use.

What an absurd take, especially since it sounds like it's all the .world admins having it.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 71 points 2 weeks ago (28 children)

theres no faster way to get kicked out of the selection process than mentioning it.

if you want out of jury duty, mention jury nullification and you are out of there.

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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's likely not actually a TOS violation, that person commenting is almost certainly talking out of their ass, likely to try and push their own agenda and make people comply.

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[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 171 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

I consider human life sacred

Like the lives of those cut short by denying treatment so CEOs and shareholders can make more money?

only God may judge us

Oh, fuck off. If God exists and actually cared, he/she/they would have "judged" the guy a long time ago for introducing needless suffering and cruelty.

[–] Localhorst86@feddit.org 60 points 2 weeks ago

only god may judge us

Is a great argument for jury nullification. Because that will allow for god to decide the shooters verdict.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, needless suffering and cruelty are kinda that god's bag...

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

That's why I added "and actually cared" :)

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

god is the most cruel entity in the entirety of the bible. kills the most people, causes the most suffering. how anyone can read that book and come away with a positive view of that beast is unfathomable.

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[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

God judged and sent an assassin if we’re gonna play the whole believe in god game

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[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 110 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Only God may judge us? Which God exactly, you giant fucking DIPSHIT?

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 86 points 2 weeks ago

My inbox is quite a ride. I keep seeing insults in it and then realise it's not meant for me

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[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 105 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Only god may judge us? Sure, which is why god sent a fucking assassin.

[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Don't forget the genocides. god enjoys a genocide

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[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 99 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

only God may judge us

🚨🚩🚨🚩🚨🚩🚨

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[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 2 weeks ago

Banning people for encouraging continued violence is one thing, but banning people for encouraging others not to imprison someone is actually ridiculous, regardless of their actual guilt.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 81 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

"only God may judge us"

It's okay, as an atheist, I only recognize the moral authority of humankind, so judge away.

More seriously speaking, PTB. It would be one thing if the justification was "We REALLY do not want any legal trouble and we are just not equipped to take on any challenges, so we're playing it safe", but "i consider human life sacred"? They can fuck off.

[–] WadeTheWizard@fedia.io 51 points 2 weeks ago

Human life is sacred, which is why I'm celebrating this POS no longer being able to abuse the sick to make a few extra bucks.

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[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 79 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Time to start working jury nullification into every comment I make no matter how unrelated it may be.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 weeks ago

Remember to report your comments after posting them

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 73 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They keep claiming all these things against the TOS yet you can read that and none of it's in there. I don't know what it is about these mods but they sure seem to be trying to push their own agenda.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (16 children)

Remember how the !world@lemmy.world mods kept pushing for months the propaganda bot from a pro-Zionist and very rightwing (so much so that their definition of a Rightwing news media was pretty much only the Far-Right ones) organisation trying to tell everybody which news to trust and which to not trust?

Also, curiously and back some months ago when I was making anti-Zionist posts in my Lemmy.world account, all of a sudden I started getting e-mails on the account I used to register on Lemmy.world from an Israeli organisation doing "Education about Israel" courses and they knew not just my e-mail but also the country I lived in (the e-mails were in my native language) even though I didn't share my email on any posts.

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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How is jury nullification against .world ToS? It is part of the law! Or more specifically it is literally created from the absence of a law, to allow a fair trial by your peers.

Courts don't want you to know about jury nullification but it is not illegal. It is a required part of the judicial system.

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[–] repungnant_canary@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, isn't lemmy.WORLD supposed to be a worldwide instance? I can discuss jury nullification as much as I want because I'll never be in the US jury. From my point of view, if I discussed jury nullification and got banned for it, I would treat that as a quite aggressive restriction of free speech.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

From https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

Our Governing Laws

The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:

The Netherlands Republic of Finland Federal Republic of Germany

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[–] young_broccoli@fedia.io 67 points 2 weeks ago

Imagine describing the denial of medical care to thousands in the name of profits as a "mistake".

What a clown!

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 58 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Hold the fuck up, now they have secret terms of service?

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 81 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Based on past behaviour, the .world ToS generally gets modified to justify whatever actions they've taken AFTER they've already taken it.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 52 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Sounds like some corpo shit

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ok, I wasn't really that surprised when a bunch of users who were calling for more murder were getting their comments deleted. That's a bit much and users need to know how to be more vague with their threats, especially with web crawls recording and indexing everything we say online...

But censoring the discussion of a real legal process is crazy. Well, I've made a few comments regarding jury nullification. I'll report if they get deleted.

edit: It's been about 20 hours and none of my Jury Nullification comments have remained. I have a feeling that the .world mods figured out that that discussion was fine or the deleted comments has other reasons to be deleted.

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[–] flicker@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

Fuuuuuck I have to change instances again...

Anybody got a recommendation?

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Join us on dbz0! I just migrated yesterday and already love it here.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

lemmy.dbzer0.com is supposedly run by an anarchist, just saying...

Also we got booty (no not that booty, treasure!) !piracy!piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com (inaccessible for lemmy.world users)

Sail the High Seas!

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[–] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Discussing an actual legitimate part of the law is a no no on lemmy.world

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 2 weeks ago

That's insane lol. They also get mad when you stand outside the courthouse and hand out pamphlets about it, wonder if this fool works in the system.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

lemmy.ml gonna ride this for a month lmao

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Lemmy.world should compare its TOS to the law before being abandoned.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Good news, guys! The lords of lemmy.world are looking out for you, deciding for you what you are and are not allowed to discuss. I'm happy we have them, keeping us safe.

I think I will probably defederate my little contributional section of Lemmy from LW. I want to take some time to think about it, but this seems so overtly hostile to the principles of what a good fediverse citizen should be doing that I think it's better to start to actively refuse to cooperate with them.

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 28 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

.world mods are all fuckwits.

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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago

I love Lemmy dot world mods, every few weeks they have some weird drama and think they can patch it out with a change to the TOS

[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Can we migrate instances or do we just start a new account elsewhere?

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