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    [–] FuryMaker@lemmy.world 149 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    You mean the year of unpatched Windows 10.

    [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 3 weeks ago

    As long as the browsers keep getting patches we're all good.

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    [–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 73 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    It has been near for the past 15 years.

    [–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 3 weeks ago

    It's the nearestest it's ever been !!!!11

    [–] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 weeks ago

    Its getting nearerer!

    [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    what are 15 years for immortal linux. nothing. a blink of an eye

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    [–] Emi@ani.social 61 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Sadly almost every average user will most likely just use windows 10 past the end and won't bother doing anything and eventually just buy new PC in few years. Also some stuff just can't be done on Linux for work, not that it can't be done but had problems with people not being able to open the files that were made on Linux libre office. But personally I'll switch to Linux for safety and try to make it daily driver.

    [–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    I have solved my work problem by using the online versions of MS office and SharePoint. The desktop versions are just emulated web apps these days anyway. I have only seen MS Project (which sucks anyway) and Excel having features I needed once or twice on the desktop version vs the online version.

    [–] gordonhost@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Try OnlyOffice it's basically indistinguishable from Microsoft Office, and available as a flatpak

    [–] MudMan@fedia.io 55 points 3 weeks ago

    To put this in perspective, it fell by 0.48%

    Windows 10 grew by 0.89%

    Linux actually dropped by 0.26% in that same period.

    Not that I'd be too concerned about any of that, because that's all data from reported OS in website visits, so all those are well within the margin of error.

    [–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

    The year of the Linux desktop will happen when a large (EDIT: large, CONSUMER-FOCUSED AND CONSUMER-FRIENDLY) company decides to donate a remarkable amount of resources to the development and maintenance of a specific distro to make it user friendly and give it the feeling that someone who actually knows better than most users is taking care of important stuff in the background.

    …Valve? 👀

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    [–] murph@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    We've been through this before.

    When Windows dropped most 32 bit support, desktop Linux had a chance just like this, but it didn't happen then either. Unless some distro becomes a perfect 1:1 replacement for Windows on all hardware, with no changes in installation procedure. (including when it's purchased) as well as: All software must run not only perfectly, but exactly the same, with everything from installation to every moment of use exactly the same, otherwise people will use Windows unpatched, or go out and buy new hardware.

    In my opinion, the year of Linux on the desktop will only come when the desktop is abandoned, and it is no longer a commonly used platform.

    Yes, it's bleak, but we've been down this road before. Unless a distro becomes perfect, no significant change will come.

    Scoop up that hardware being discarded, install your favorite distro (because you will be supporting it) and give it away to someone to learn Linux. There will never be a mass exodus, just install, educate, and chip away 1 user at a time.

    [–] OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Even if there was a perfect drop in replacement it wouldn't change anything. People bitch and moan about windows all of the time but the reason they use it is bc that's what came with their laptop.

    Reinstalling a new OS is the biggest problem, people will learn how to do things but they won't go out of their way to do it.

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    [–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Look, I like Linux too, and I think governments should definitely use it to move away from Microsoft.

    But as long as prebuilt PCs and laptops are sold with Windows, people will stay accustomed to it and be way more hesitant to switch. You can tell them, 'It works just like Windows! It just looks a bit different!' Yet their minds will still think, 'New = scary.' and won't use it.

    [–] Piatro@programming.dev 7 points 2 weeks ago

    The issue for me as a potential advocate to my immediate circle of friends and family is that I don't want to become the only source of tech support. Now realistically they'll probably have fewer issues, but as soon as they want to fix something they'll have to come to me. No they won't Google things, and if they do they won't understand it.

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    [–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 26 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    When new OEM PCs comes with Linux pre-installed is when stuff happens. Not before then. Windows 11 adoption will be slow cause of their exclusion of old hardware. That old hardware will be scrapped or people just keep Windows 10 on it, regardless of security warnings.

    The Desktop Linux experience, with gaming and all, seems pretty close to fulfilling everyone needs at this point. But it would not surprise me if Microsoft goes around paying OEM manufacturers to not bundle anything but windows with their products.

    [–] polle@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I recently made the switch and motivated a friend who is still on win7 to go to linux. While installing and setting up his system i realised that you still need some konsole handling skills, that normal windows user not really have. To me thats normal, growing up with dos and win311, but if you started with win 2000 or later. Thats all new stuff.

    I think laptops/computers that are all ready setup completely usable, should be a thing, thought.

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    [–] JelleWho@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    Please Valve launch SteamOS, and I can be done with it

    [–] Lightfire228@pawb.social 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Unless Valve has said otherwise, I doubt SteamOS is going to be released for desktop. SteamOS is basically just Arch + kde plasma but with tweaks targeting the SteamDeck hardware

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    [–] polle@feddit.org 25 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    The windows 11 ads worked. I installed Linux a month ago and would say the transition is done and iam really happy.

    [–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    I wonder how many people would notice if when upgrading from windows 10 to 11, windows is replaced by KDE themed to look like windows 11.

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    [–] tdawg@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Taking the dive on my gaming tower. Wish me luck bois

    [–] Mechaguana@programming.dev 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Youll prefer tinkering with the os rather than playing in no time ;)

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    [–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 7 points 3 weeks ago

    You don't need luck. You've got us! (And the Internet to verify our claims lol)

    Just triple check every step, learn how to prevent ESD, and pull that useless little sticky plastic protector off the cooler before you install it! (That one gets SO many system builders).

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    [–] muhyb@programming.dev 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    While people don't want to move onto Windows 11, I recently saw a fricking Vista on a local office supply store.

    [–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    I've seen brand new installs of XP. An ancient process works there, so if they need a new deployment, XP it is.

    No internet and minimum user interaction though

    [–] muhyb@programming.dev 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    It's really fine if they have no access to internet. They probably have their software that works fine with it, and probably won't work on newer OSes. There is an airport that still uses Win 3.1 on some computers, don't recall the name though.

    Funny thing is, XP still appears on Windows market share.

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    [–] Atrichum@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    I remember similar articles when Windows 7 reached end of life. People will complain but mostly adapt to Windows 11, and Linux will gain 0.2% market share.

    [–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    Will they though ? Me and all my nerd friends straight up ignored windows 8, I'm sure we weren't alone. I also saw the writing on the wall with windows 11 and went with Linux for my new gaming PC

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    [–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    This time is a little different. A lot of slightly older but really decent hardware won't be compatible with Window's TPM requirements. They're forcing their customers to buy all new hardware for an overall worse experience. Pair that with the upcoming Trump tariffs and you'll see some people second guess their next choice of OS if it means they can save on a lot of money if they make some concessions on what they want. I'm not saying it'll be a huge change but at least it'll keep ticking up the Linux market share enough for some software publishers to start offering their products on the platform like Steam already is.

    [–] thejml@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

    For most non-tech savvy people, the OS is part of the computer. It comes with win 10, that’s just the way the computer works and it will stay with 10 until the hardware fails or is too slow and they need a new PC. They’re not separate. And if a PC costs more, they’re just going to deal with it longer or give up on a desktop/laptop and do more on their phones.

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    [–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    ~~2020 2021 2022 2023 2024~~ 2025 !!!

    [–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Near? You can install Linux right now, no need to wait for anything to happen.

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    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Windows 11 is not that bad in the sense that a lot of its anti features are in Windows 10 now. With some work you can make it functional.

    With that being said, Linux. By the time I spend trying to make Windows work I might as well use something that respects my freedom.

    [–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

    Don't worry, they'll drop 12 soon to make people prefer 11

    [–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 11 points 3 weeks ago

    Filthy Windowses!

    [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

    If they aren’t smart enough to upgrade to 11 then they aren’t smart enough to switch to Linux

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    [–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    While I love Linux and wish more people would switch over, I know damn well most people just want to keep using Windows. The people who REALLY want Linux will find it.

    Right now I've been offering my friends n family who don't want Win11 two options.

    • I help them get started using Linux.

    • Or I show them how to get the IoT LTSC branch of Win10 that'll still get security updates until at the latest 2032.

    Most of them including the more tech savy folks just want to keep Win10 with updates, Some have opted to try Linux on a dual boot but few have stuck with it.

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    [–] Psythik@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Yeah, just like how Netflix's rule changes was going to get everyone to turn to piracy. In reality, their subscription numbers skyrocketed, just like how new Windows PC sales will in 10 months.

    [–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
    [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

    We wants it!

    [–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

    I finally switched. Honestly, the only thing I hate is the audio manager.

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

    Which can easily be replaced 😁

    [–] Mwa@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Think about this for a second,Why we use Linux on supercomputers and servers and even our phones and embedded devices,But at home we are forced to use Windows from what i heard its built on stolen code and Microsoft had so much mess ups in the past, and why do manufactures put this stolen code os from a company with alot of mess ups in the past on their Pcs.

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