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John Bachtell, former national committee chairperson of CPUSA, continues the party's decades long tradition of making shit up to discredit the left's greatest accomplishments. Liberals hate that Stalin and the greater communist movement destroyed the independence of Ukraine's ruling class and brought an end to the centuries of antisemitic violence they used to preserve their power.

SMDH my dickhead.

Check this shit out @Alaskaball@hexbear.net

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stalin was a very famous russian chauvinist. you can tell it simply by his name : Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, the most RUZZIAN of names

[–] oregoncom@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

I remember he did get into some spat with Lenin once where Lenin accused him of being a "Great Russia Chauvinist" but it could've been exaggerated and I'm not going to pretend to know about ethnic relations in late imperial Russia/early USSR.

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn this is embarrassing. What a joke org

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Extremely sus thing for a "communist" to say.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not really. It was common after 1956. Even Sankara said anti-Stalin things and John Bachtell, I believe, is from that era.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Huge difference between just criticising Stalin and endorsing "holodomor", literal nazi propaganda. Or calling the relationship the soviets had with ukraine "colonialism".

It absolutely reeks.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm aware, and John Bachtell has gotten into trouble for making these sorts of comment; including almost getting expelled on at least one particular occasion by Joe Sims and the gang.

I surmise that, at least since the 70s/80s era, he was never really a fan of Stalin, since the general opinion of the Stalin years was fuzzy during that era, and after 1991 he started to believe a lot of things from the mainstream media.

It should be noted that the main Twitter account discounts the "Holodomor."

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is precisely what I'm getting at with the ""communist"" part and my pointing out how sus it is. This isn't the mindset or behaviour of someone without brainworms, and it stinks of anticommunism if anything. I wouldn't trust this guy with anything important.

If you took that to be me attacking the party, it's not. This is just something that needs to be fought and cleared out.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

I can't say much, all I can say is the years of FBI surveillance and ostracism have been hard, and I imagine that John Bachtell has been reprimanded before for this behavior and there's a good reason why he was ousted from leadership.

I assure you, we're no stranger to, say, fighting PatSocs, for example, and we'll fight other internal battles as well (though the PatSocs are more an example of interloping entryists from outside).

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is such an ahistorical take. Not even something that requires a deep dive, a cursory glance of the Wikipedia page for Ukraine shows it’s nonsense to describe the relationship between the two countries as “colonial.”

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Everything that happened between 1917 and 1990, in Russia, was Colonialist. Then they got a brief reprieve during the period in which Gorbachev and Yeltsin brought the liberating free market energy of Fukuyama's End of History capitalism into the heart of the Soviet Union and everything was cool until, idk, 2010 maybe? But once Putin put on the One Ring and joined House Slytherin, he fell to the Dark Side of the Force and was corrupted by the Infiniti Stones. That's when the evil Russian colonialism started again. And so now we're in a Glorious Liberal Crusade to free all the Lost Peoples of Eastern Europe from the tyranny of the Russian Oligarchs.

If you're a Real Leftist who has accepted the Spirit of Woke into your heart, you'll hear the call of the Horn of Gondor and Avengers Assemble online to tell all those Russian Bots to Get Off My Plane. Because we're not anything like the Old America of that Evil Tyrant Trump. We're New America and we're Fighting The Good Fight. Ignore Wikipedia. That's propaganda. Don't trust it. Trust me, the guy who is on the internet right now. Ukraine is Good and Russia is Evil. If you don't pick the right side, we'll know that you're an Ork and its okay for us to do literally anything to you as a result.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Everything before 1917? That was princess Anastasia having really cute ballroom dancing parties.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know @Pluto@hexbear.net is a member here. Any thoughts on this?

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@Pluto@hexbear.net I'm interested to hear your thoughts too. Why is John doing this?

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Not Pluto, but there is a vast disconnect between many local CPUSA and the national group. There are often proper commies locally and incoherent popular front liberals nationally. There is no real program or coherent line, so there are also nazbols and shit in some local groups.

This can be maintained precisely because nobody wants to be associated with national's liberalism. If folks joined en masse and stomached it for a few years, the party could be made communist again. Some folks, like JT from Second Thought, are trying to do that reform (with limited success unfortunately).

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it Bachtell?

Hold on.

I'm seeing just the tagged comments. Wait.

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I heard Bachtell caused trouble against about Russia even though he was almost expelled for the last article. Hold on.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With chairperson like this, who needs feds?

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

He's not a co-chair.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

More like LPUSA amirite?

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net

Also, yeah, John Bachtell was ousted from leadership due to stuff like this.

We kinda hate him in the CPUSA, though I know a friend that likes him personally and knows him.

But yeah, I'm glad that Joe Sims replaced 'em.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Interesting. I've met him before. He is a nice guy. I haven't learned anything about Joe Sims yet. If you've got the time, could you post a link to any writing by him, or a video that you think is good?

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

FYI I don't think pings work in posts. Only comments.

Also John Bachtell is president of Long View Publishing Co., the publisher of People's World.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Not exactly great advertisement for CPUSA. This clown was in national leadership? Is he still in the org?

[–] bubbalu@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The General Secretary till 2014 also left abruptly and became a DNC staffer.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago
[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, he was almost expelled.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Repeating Nazi propaganda like this doesn't get you expelled? Wtf?

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

What happened.

[–] Grimble@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to be ASPD but this guy barely registers to me as a real person. I just see no reason to value him. Look at this man who has a pure void of tone, style, values worth a shit etc. and tell me he wasn't paid to be here somehow

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