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I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 140 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (32 children)

Here's a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:

Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It's fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they're being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.

EDIT: as people noticed I'm not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I'm adding stuff that you guys suggest.

* for specialised memes, as the category is rather large:

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 76 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen's Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry).. like wat πŸ˜‚

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ah, typical lemmy.ml . They have a hard time understanding that you can support a certain ideology without necessarily turning a blind eye to everything that people claim to be doing for the sake of said ideology, or that any criticism against their actions is automatically false.

I remember you, by the way. You were already an old Lemmy user when I joined in, 3y ago!

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 30 points 1 month ago (9 children)

We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance's target audience is wider than it actually is.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 26 points 1 month ago

Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated

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[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 26 points 1 month ago

the main issue with .ml is ~~transparency~~ authoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the admins

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If they were banning people for shit posting on a communism community I wouldn't have a problem. Its when you get removed banned from all communities because you said you don't like there crappy memes

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 30 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Or even if they had an instance-wide rule saying "don't criticise Russia or China here". It's fine as long as the rules are clear.

But no, instead they libel the users criticising either, claiming that they violated rule #1 (TL;DR "no bigots"). Even when the criticism is clearly against the government.

And then you get a bunch of 11yos eating that ban message for breakfast, because they're ~~full of gullibleness and don't get the purpose of this utterance~~ dumb fucks.

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

!asklemmy@lemmy.world has over 70 times as many subscribers as the other two asklemmy communities combined.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn't put even more eggs in that basket, you know.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (11 children)

But maybe we shouldn't throw out the few eggs Lemmy does have.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 100 points 1 month ago (9 children)

As long as it's not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won't lead to good outcomes anywhere.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Absolutely! Grow a community on any instance that doesn't allow the kind of users that lemmy.ml does I say.

I think we gave them too much power by making their communities as big as we did

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I'm glad there is enough critical mass to move past those fucking hatemongers. "Pure free speech and anarchy!" If you say exactly what we want you to, also don't accidentally offend us with normal fucking words

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (28 children)

"Free speech!"

Ok tankie.

"Not like that!"

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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago (23 children)

They're not anarchists tho. Don't associate anarchism with .ml bullshit

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 75 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (63 children)

I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao

Edit: thank you for the link, Lazycog@sopuli.xyz!

https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275

I stand by every single comment that's been removed from this platform. Some of them were removed for good reason, one of them was a brain fart that I shouldn't have posted in the first place, but I'm happy to have y'all investigate my moderation history

ETA: If you read this, and then replied to a comment that's already been removed from a community I'm banned from, you're an idiot. I literally can't interact with you. Why not reply to this comment?

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 1 month ago (25 children)

I've been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn't worth simping for.

What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.

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[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 month ago (8 children)

your "boycott" was already happening naturally because (ayk) lemmy.ml's mods are insufferable

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[–] hierophant_nihilant@reddthat.com 51 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it's easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.

If it helps, most of this inter-instance drama comes from a surprisingly small group of people. I've blocked most of them (looks like I missed the OP here) and it's much quieter now. Looking at my block list, they're mostly from .world, but that could be due to the large population.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is easy to maintain freedom of speech on Lemmy. The idea that your instance can defederate from instances like Lemmy.ml, but everyone on Lemmy.ml can continue to post on their own server, and federate with any other given server by default is the entire point of federation and proof of concept that the fediverse is great for free speech. You’re under the impression that all Lemmy servers are supposed to be part of one big whole, but that’s not what the fediverse is for.

You have to understand that β€œfree speech” is a negative freedom and it doesn’t mean everyone has to listen to you. It just means nobody can force you not to speak.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (48 children)

"We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber"!

Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?

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[–] schwim@lemm.ee 38 points 1 month ago

I don't think the meme makes sense. The ml users don't seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they'd like.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 month ago (4 children)
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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 26 points 1 month ago (42 children)

Can someone inform me about what's wrong with lemmy.ml?

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 month ago (24 children)

The ml stands for Marxist-Leninist, and the admins are tankies

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[–] TomBombadil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 month ago (23 children)
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[–] coherent_domain@infosec.pub 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I like the idea of growing non-ml community, however, I wish larger instances do not block ML. Otherwise, they would just move to lemmy.ee or lemmy.one, just like how they moved from hexbear and grad to ml.

It is great tankies got their own place where they can be happy, but I really don't want to interact with them. I am emotional about issues they engage in, and emotional me is usually not the nicest version of myself.

Social media is one of the few ways I can relax for couple hours per week outside of my job, and I really don't want my social media experience to go full investigative journalism.

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 25 points 1 month ago (6 children)

honestly, I eventually got fed up enough and instance blocked .ml on my account a couple weeks ago, and Ive barely noticed a difference. It was the bulk of lemmy right after it started to get some migration from Reddit, but it isnt nearly as essential these days already

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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I only follow some .ml communities for the only thing that instance is good for: Memes making fun of neoliberals

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I go there to encounter communists and discuss communism with them. I don’t mind talking to people I disagree with, and until they kick me out I’ll keep going there to talk to them.

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[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 month ago (33 children)

Now what's the juicy backstory to this drama?

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

Lemmy.ml is one of the biggest instances that serves up tankies, there was some conversation going on the .world admin thread regarding the federation issues about why not just defederate/"not fix it" and it was brought up they have a lot of content including one of the biggest Linux communities.

Thus this meme was born lol

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Another day of .world reddit migrants thinking de-federating or boycotting .ml will change literally anything.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago

lemmy.ml users reaction:

A scene from Rick and Morty saying "Okay then, that was always allowe!"

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 20 points 1 month ago (8 children)

https://sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad

Here is a nice community that keeps track of their bullshit

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