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[–] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 117 points 2 days ago

Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man. You take a step towards him, he takes a step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.

[–] USNWoodwork@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This fails to recognize that for a very long time things trended left. I remember talking to someone in the 90s and we went down a list of major issues and the left had essentially won on all of them. Roe vs Wade EPA Gay Marriage Welfare Reform and Child Tax Credits

My hope for the Democratic party is that they go to a single issue for the next National election, and that issue should be Anti-trust/Breaking up monopolies

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago

Things should be progressing no? that's the whole point of being the "progressive party"

[–] brianary@startrek.website 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

That's an important issue, but if Democrats ever see power again, it'll be important to focus on re-enfranchisement (RCV, instant runoff, or anything fairer than FPTP; NPVIC; national mail voting; mandatory voting), on judicial reform to undo the corruption and incompetence that has been packed there. Without those, keeping any gains will be impossible.

Then, triaging existential threats is critical, which will mean fighting climate change, investing in public transport (trains), and breaking up trusts will have to be pursued simultaneously. Stopping any support for genocide needs to happen as soon as possible.

There will be plenty more structural changes to fix beyond that: Protecting whistleblowers and protesters, improving FOIA, replacing norms with laws (Emoluments Clause enforcement, financial records disclosure, no insider trading for Congressmembers, &c), and all manner of civil rights protections and police reform.

After all that, it'll be time for the stuff I've been hoping for: nationalizing healthcare and Internet access, and copyright reform.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

NPVIC ain't going to happen. Not for at least another 40 years or so.

It was a great idea, but this (so-called) Supreme Court would absolutely shut it down in no time flat. The balance of this court isn't likely to shift for a very, very long time.

The only solution to get rid of EC before then will be a massive movement that results in a constitutional amendment.

Tl/Dr: start pre-lubing your assholes now, they ain't gonna help you there.

ETA: the funny thing about having to codify "norms" into law was that the expectation would be that government would be transparent enough, and press would be free enough, that lawmakers wouldn't even think about shit like insider trading, because the risk of getting found out and the hit your reputation and career would take wouldnt be worth it.

Instead, ass hats celebrated it.

[–] brianary@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Adding seats to the court needs to happen, as well as reapportioning representatives, and giving electoral votes to DC and the territories. We need to find politicians that aren't afraid to do it.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah it's very depressing to realize that the country will continue to head towards the shitter, or at least won't move away from it, until I'm dead or close to it. Probably longer. No matter what else happens, we still have a stacked SCOTUS and a highly gameable (and also stacked) district court system. Mitch didn't just hold up a SCOTUS seat nomination...he held up a ton of lower court seats, too.

Sorry kids. Buttery males.

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[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You'd need to explain how this helps the average person.

Bearing in mind that these employers have hundreds of thousands of people working for them, you would need to somehow ensure that people aren't voting for a spike in unemployment.

FWIW I don't disagree at all, but how would this be implemented in practice, and how would it be framed as a good thing for those employed by those companies?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 76 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Why isn't anybody voting for us"

[–] frazw@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I think the question they ask is more like "why are people voting for the other side?" ...leading to "we need to be more like them"

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The problem is theres nothing on our side. Our choices are right of center and so far right they fell off the graph.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

There's also the choice of doing what Bernie did, and build up an alternative from the local level, but that would require people to realise that politics aren't restricted to TV-level races nor snooze for 4 years.

If Americans did that in large scale they could to the democratic party the reverse of what the tea party did to the republican party.

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (8 children)

The Democratic party hates Bernie though. Theyran so hard against him back in '16 and '20. I swear the Democrats would rather lose to a Republican than run an actual left candidate.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

not saying i disagree, but people always link this article as though it even has a section on partisan politics. it doesn’t, or really even pose any evidence that suggests the effect applies to the overton window. would be curious if there are any sources that pose evidence.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The rightward shift of the GOP and the tendency of the seemingly infinite number of spineless Dem careerist politicians to seek compromise is very real, but please remember the 90s and 2000s, everyone. They were not as rosy and left-wing as you remember; while not nearly enough, the Dems are notably more left than they were then.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (6 children)

In the larger picture the rightward trend is kind of true on economic fronts.

But yeah, since the 90s we've slowly moved left.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 31 points 2 days ago

Always reach across the isle and punch nazis.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

The Overton Window is set in an abandoned lot. The house burned down a long time ago.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This could mean that there’s room on the left for a brand new party.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Only if America will implement proportional representation

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It could if we weren't locked into a two party system.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean, if there ever was a time for a grass roots growing of a third party, it would be NOW, not a year before the election with Putin-stooge Jill Stein.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Yes, but please voting reform at the same time. I do not enjoy this rollercoaster where we vassals of the US cross our fingers and hope the nut jobs don't get into power.

And then they do.

Please for the love of God, make voting reform the number one issue above all else, because it affects all else.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I can agree with that, but I'm not sure it will happen. And like most people I'm too busy trying to keep a non-negative balance in the checkbook to do much about it.

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago

There are plenty of people trying but it is clearly not working

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago (4 children)

just playin' the long game. won't be long now and it will loop around to the far left.

[–] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So, everyone's hoping for the bit overflow

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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Yup, we just need to accelerate and we totally won't end up in a fascist dystopia

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