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OPINION: The hate has always been here. But now it’s boiling over, and it’s become more socially acceptable to let white-nationalist, misogynistic, even murderous flags fly (by Jenn Jefferys/TVO)

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[–] moncalimar@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it would be more accurate to say that the people driving this hatred no longer care about being socially acceptable.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it is no longer socially unacceptable

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It still is socially unacceptable in actual society.

The problem is they've found a micro-community who also embraces similar (and often worse) anti-social ideas and behaviors, and has convinced these losers that their dumb ideas are reasonable.

[–] tarsn@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Maybe in university educated society. Any blue collar work place, lots of men's sports teams, etc. has these problems in my experience. When I shifted careers in my 30s from the office to a construction site I was blown away by how right wing everyone was while working for a union.

[–] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago

We see this also, perhaps most frighteningly, in toxic-masculinity-laden rabbit holes online, where young men can find easy answers and welcoming brotherhood communities with those who have similar grievances.

“Through most of the 20th century, men were always the default character. The protagonists,” Morrison tells me. Now that is changing — and they’re mad. Really mad. It’s this “politics of grievance,” Morrison says,

This is the pot calling the kettle black. Equality alone isn't the source of white male anger, it's a broad sense of not knowing where they fit anymore and easy (and wrong) answers online.

This is an insightful read on the topic, starting from male college enrollment and working downwards:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/young-men-college-decline-gender-gap-higher-education/620066/

We should be embracing egalitarian views and discussing the issues affecting men and women, and we should be having more conversations about what's hurting men without dumbing it down to "they're white and angry", because that's only stoking anger and driving people away.

I think if you dig into it you'd find a lot of men are hurting in our economy, feel trapped by our reliance on degrees for training, and don't feel included in communities anymore. Men have traditionally needed to be breadwinners and that view hasn't changed much (see the divorce rate of unemployed men, or statistics that women don't tend to date lower earners than themselves (I think OKCupid wrote about it)), and frankly the collapse of manufacturing amid globalization has killed an area that typically men excell at and gave the majority a path towards a comfortable life.

Then there is a large group capitalizing on this and pushing the easy narrative of anger, and another large group overlooking all these men who are hurting and blaming them. It's not so simple, and we all need to work on solving it.

[–] ddugue@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's happening is social media.

You have a bigot, what do you do about it?

Sure you can punch the bigot. Violence begets violence; might fix the problem or make it worse.

So what do you? Confront them. Then if they don't change their ways, you shun them. Generally people don't like being excluded, so slowly but surely the bigots would reform and some would die alone with their hatred.

Now? They have online platforms where they find each other through algorithms that encourages those behaviors because it makes them money.

You want to reduce the hatred on society? Police properly the big social medias.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

This is absolutely true: social media has allowed these groups to network, and the same algorithm that knows to feed me pictures of cute dogs to keep me on the platform also knows it helps to feed Nazi-adjacent rage-bait to keep vulnerable people engaged.

A huge, huge thing we could do is force social media companies to change to a simple, chronological algorithm, instead of one that's predicated on feeding users rage-bait.

[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

People aren't willing enough to speak out. We have a culture of apathy.

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