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[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

There weren't enough third party votes to swing the election. Trump won the popular vote. Stop blaming leftist for the country moving right. It's stupid.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 hours ago
[–] voldage@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I find it hard to believe people making those memes are dumb enough to believe the underlying message. The pro-palestinian activist crowd was way too small to change anything in this massive loss, and I'd wager more of them percentage wise went and voted for Harris after all, than registered Dems did. Those people are politicaly concious enough to care about foreign politics, something vast majority of the voter base doesn't care in the slightest. I've seen you fuckers shadow boxing with some theoretical far left cabal, both apparently major in terms of being blamed for diverting voters and insignificant in terms of being worth listening to according to your propaganda, and I've barely ever seen anyone from the left saying that they wont vote for Harris. You've spammed those memes about not voting for Harris being a vote for Trump and pointed fingers at abstract pro-palestinian crowd, despite knowing fully well those people were going - and did, by the way - to vote for Harris. Dems lost not because of the politicaly engaged people on the left, you morons. Dems lost because they completely failed to engage people that weren't interested in politics. They completely capitulated the border issue to the GOP, allowing to full blown fascist narrative to emerge - something that wouldn't have happend it they pushed back instead. They paraded the animated corpse of Biden for far too long, going they could get away with it somehow. Completely sanitized Harris and muzzled Walz after their initial pro-workers and anti-corporate messages. They tried to shame people into voting instead of engaging them, shitted on the open primary, silenced arab communities, and then got confused when people not caring about politics too much failed to show up.

You're trying to show how much smarter you are than the anti-genociders with those memes, but you're completely missing the mark. This outcome is exactly what those people warned you about. People are mostly disengaged from the politics, and when they vote, they vote based on vibes. The year long support for genocide, broadcasted on every station and in many speeches, is a fucking vibe killer for many voters. The Dems had atrocious vibes all the way back from the october 7. They should have never give a green light for killing the civilians, on either side. They fumbled and refused to acknowledge it.

But yeah, Gaza is a relatively minor issue to the voters, seeing as people aren't interested in foreign politics at all. The reason why Dems lost was a sum of many other fuck ups as well. They barely even talked about Biden being pro union and walking the picket line. They barely pushed against the inflation lies. They laser focused being anti-immigration and calling Trump (deserved, sure) names. They're 100% guilty of letting Trump rule now, seeing how bad Trump campaign was. And seeing how your current propaganda looks like, it seems like you're not going to learn any lessons from this loss, assuming you guys ever get to vote again.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Wow a giant wall of text filled with shitty excuses. Not sure what else I expected from the Pro Palestinian anti Harris crowd.

May Palestine receive the fruits of your labor.

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Excuses? I'm not even from the USA. That's a critique. And you seem to miss the point of it entirely.

[–] Embarrassingskidmark@lemmy.world -2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Aye, you're not wrong. The meme is still accurate though.

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

It's not, pro-palestine crowd in USA is relatively politicaly concious, so you would be hard pressed to find people from that group that didn't vote for Harris. Idea that people caring about Gaza in USA would be unaware that Trump is worse pick is flawed, as it would require both awareness about foreign affairs and USA capabilities in terms of negotiating the ceasefire, and also being completely unaware of Trump attitude towards Palestine and Israel. Also, anyone caring enough to protest most likely cares enough to vote, so those people weren't the issue.

Dems fucked up their campaign big time and now they're looking for scapegoats to blame, unable to admit to their many flaws that led to this result.

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 10 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Wasn't that the point? They knew both sides would be pro Israel and sent a message that without more Palestinian support, the Dems wouldn't just get their vote.

It worked, the Dems have been nothing but shocked and aghast at the outcome. Now the pro- Palestine base are hoping the Dems turn against Israel for the 2026 election to win back their vote.

...the Dems won't, by the way. They might pay more lip service to it, but they'll never be anti-Israel.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Ha ha ha ha! You think there's still going to be a Palestine in 2028! Huckster McJesusBitch is going to help Bibi complete the genocide.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Dems aren’t shocked. Dem voters were repeating at every opportunity that things would be worse under Trump.

I think we’re just suspect of people who say they’re pro Palestine and then act to worsen their situation.

You showed the Dems tho!

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Oh, I voted. For Trump. Im a general independent and vote based on my morals. The Dems were certainly shown this time around, I agree. :)

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You will see what the point is when Israel permanently occupies the West Bank and Gaza and starts the real genocide.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Gaza has already been flattened and its people have been psychologically tortured into being unable to fight back.

This genocide is already well underway, not "about to start".

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 22 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Which part is the humor part?

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It would probably be funny if it wasn't true and a fucking tragedy.

I'm so goddamned irrationally mad at everything.

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[–] ProtecyaTec@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Sure is going to be difficult to enact change when met with a regime that wants to regress. Hope that y'all who didn't vote are happy with the outcome cause I sure ain't.

[–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 18 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Other than this meme ridiculously implying that if only the pro-Palestine vote would have gone to Harris instead of Trump, then Harris would have won (two ridiculous claims not backed by the reality of the data): Can we please stop with that notion, that the Democrats are trying to stop what's going on in Palestine and finally see it as the US foreign policy that it is? Who has the power in that relationship? Without the US, Israel has a fraction of its weapons, billions of dollars less for their own civil programs and no shielding from international law. Don't act like the Biden administration has been genuinely trying to stop a genocide, when they:

  • are supplying weapons (Biden even circumventing congress in at least one case)
  • continuing payments
  • are spreading debunked Israeli propaganda even after they're debunked while ignoring or actively delegitimizing information to the contrary
  • actively bomb the Huthi's who attack ships headed for Israel (also with weapons)
  • vetoing or threatening to veto anything that furthers international law on that matter in the Security Council
  • diplomatically and threatingly shielding Israeli threats to the ICC and ICJ
  • actively delegitimize the ICJ and their decisions openly
  • are threatening countries with sanctions if they don't adopt outrageous laws and standards redefining anti-semitism and cracking down
  • are pressuring countries to tow the line with zionist support
  • ... (list is not extensive)

This behavior isn't new. International law didn't matter, when the US offensively brought death and destruction to Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result again in Iraq and Syria. Or when they did the same with the EU in Lybia,. Or when they supplied Saudi Arabia with weapons and support for their genocide in Yemen, and are supplying Egypt with weapons and support for their water war in Sudan, which has seen atrocity after atrocity in its wake. This isn't even an extensive list of just this century.

They aren't trying to stop it. All the public lip-service is but theater as are the negotiations. Which should become clear at the latest, when Israel assassinates their negotiating partners and then the US claims, that there is no one from the other side joining the table...

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand why anyone thought either candidate would handle it better than the other.

IMO, the Trump administration will likely make the problem worse faster than Harris would have, but regardless of who won the election, it would be impossible to prove whether my argument is true or not, so I digress.

I still have a hard time believing that anyone chose this hill to be the deciding factor and they went with Trump?

He's basically endorsing mass deportation which will likely result in the deaths of many migrants fleeing from dangerous situations. It's basically genocide on a massive scale. And that standpoint convinced anyone that he would do a better job in the Palestine conflict compared to Harris?

Now, I'm not saying Harris would have done much better, but "not much better" is still better... Not by much, but it's still better.

Oh well. Here we go again, the US is endorsing genocide. Whoopee.

[–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Yeah neither do I. Especially with Trump's track record on the matter while he was in office. His proximity to Sheldon Adelson is believed to be the reason that led to Trump unilaterally declaring the Golan Heights (Syrian territory) to belong to Israel. Furthermore he moved the embassy to Jerusalem. And the criticism of the Abraham's Accords, that they were leaving out the Palestinians, was met with the answer of it being the point. When American journalists got murdered by Israel it got even less repercussions than Saudi Arabia for doing the same without consequence.

We just had an instance a few weeks ago, where I do believe there to be a material difference in handling between Biden/Harris and Trump. Remember when Israel attacked Iran? And did NOT attack Iran's nuclear and oil facilities? Speculation of course, but that has to be because of the limits set by the U.S. I'm pretty sure Trump sets the limit for such actions differently and we might be in a more open and direct world war like situation (including Russia and maybe even China). Another is his proximity to and donation ($100 million IIRC) from Miriam Adelson, which is rumored to be based on the wish to fully annex the West Bank. His announced appointments do make this seem likely and should once and for all dispel the myth of Israel's actions being defensive in nature for anyone still believing that.

edit: American journalists

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago

People posting the meme wish to say genocide is only alright if it is exported.

The real question is if both party wishes to have death at destruction at Palestine homes why would they not wish the same to its exporter?

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

ignores core voter issues

spends entire campaign talking about how opponent is worse

Tells entire uncommitted voter base to fuck off

"Why did the voters do this to us? Those must be 10 million russian/maga/chinese shills in disguise."

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Clearly it's the voters who are wrong.

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