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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Weird… as a cis heterosexual white male, I don’t find myself hanging around people that I need to censor or correct at all. I’ve proactively cut all of those people out of my life within the past 8 years. My friends are the folks you don’t need to tell stuff like this to.

I will say, in the process of removing people that were awful, they tend to just laugh when they are “corrected,” as they find amusement in the antagonization. Once you separate yourself from them, it’s just 2-3 confused text messages and that’s the end of it.

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I do (cuz family). Calling them out like this is one of my favorite pastimes since they think I'm 100% with them. Stopping them in their tracks can be really entertaining

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[–] vinnymac@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Not saying cutting people out is wrong, you do you. But don't you think all of this alienation we are collectively doing is leading to the echo chambers that reinforce bad behaviors?

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I do, but I don’t want to be around those people. I don’t think being around them (and trying to influence) changes anything for the better either.

[–] maniclucky@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

I can only control my own behavior. I cannot force another to change, they have to want to. The only thing I can do is draw the lines I'm willing to live within and live by them. And if not associating with bad people, even if they are family, is what I need to live in a healthy way, so be it.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 112 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Ask them to explain the “joke” then once they finish say I didn’t find the joke funny.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I do this, but then I pick it apart to make it really painful.

[–] ericbomb@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago (3 children)

"Oh, jokes just normally have a punchline and aren't just stating something really backwards"

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[–] pearsaltchocolatebar 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They can't ever explain the joke, though.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago

That's half the fun. Watching them squirm and try to figure out how to explain the joke without saying the -ism out loud when they realize they're not in "safe" company.

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[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 16 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Nah, there's nothing louder than silence.

Wipe all expression from your face, and stare at them. Maybe just an expression of incredulity if this is out of character for them. That's all it takes.

Bystanders will literally stop what they're doing and watch. Their brains will scream "I'm about to be excluded from the group", and they'll start babbling. They'll confess their sins and be harsher on themselves than anything you could say

If you don't like their next words, give them nothing. Literally don't respond, anything you give them is closure. Don't give them closure, move on with your life - they can't.

Don't give them judgement, give them nothing. If you judge them, they can turn themselves into a victim or you into an enemy... Without a response, the only enemy is themselves, because they will crave your approval.

It's like a teacher staring down a student who keeps talking until the whole class is looking at them, except they don't know what to do to make it stop. So they try anything and wrack their brain for a solution. It seriously freaks people out

Note: this is less likely to work against neurodivergent people, they'll just be confused. That's how I learned to do this - I got annoyed and straight up asked a therapist why they kept staring at me when I was done talking. They explained the concept of a pregnant pause, and so I started using it.

And acquaintances started telling me how they were abused to explain their behavior and strangers started confessing how they cheated on their partners out of nowhere.

I get a lot of long apology emails the day after someone wrongs me, I now make an effort to give closure to everyone I like early and often.

Humans are tortured by this

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 65 points 5 days ago (2 children)
  1. Slight lean back

  2. Expression of baffled disgust

  3. Quietly: "The fuck?"

Cuts deep

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

If you're especially non-confrontational, then even the first one, or 0 reaction, can do. Just don't do the polite chuckle. They'll think it landed.

I have to work really hard not to laugh myself, and instead let it be awkward.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 87 points 5 days ago (7 children)

friend says fucked up shit, asks if you agree

"What? No. Shit no! I believe you get your ass kicked for saying shit like that."

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nah. Don't wait for them to ask. Tell them they are being an asshat. It's good for them

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

"I won't let you talk to them that way" is a bad one that doesn't belong on this list. It implies you're in control of them, which you're not. It's essentially a bluff, and if they call it, you need to be able to beat them up.

To add more good phrases to this list, the phrases need to imply that the person still has their own agency (because they do), and that it's just a dipshit way to use that agency. The other phrases are great.

[–] callyral@pawb.social 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

You don't need to be cisgender, heterosexual, male or white to call people out on their bigoted beliefs.

Edit: if you are in those categories you're more likely to be taken more seriously by other cishet white men. I think I understand the point of the original post now.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No, but bigoted, cisgendered, heterosexual white men are probably more likely to listen to other cisgendered heterosexual white men due to their bigotry.

Someone disagreeing within Chad Junior's very narrow social circle will mean more to him than someone outside of the circle, especially if that person is also unlike Chad Junior in several ways. Unfortunate as it is.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Definitely. It's just an amplifier. Imagine a protestor saying "too many cops are violent and need to cool it", as opposed to a cop saying "too many cops are violent and need to cool it"

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

This is legit why I have like two male friends left tbh. After 2016 I stopped giving a fuck. The problem... or maybe the cause in a way... is that I'm an oddly assertive introvert so it's very easy for me to end up in a situation where I'm doing nothing but going off on people and making drama.

[–] felsiq@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

ITT: a lot of people reading this to be specifically and only for cis white men, but they’re talking about the power any in-group member has to shut down bigoted shit and that’s what we should be focusing on. In a space where the biggest in-group is black women this post would be about them, but the most common “in-group” (disproportionately so) is white cis men so that’s who they mention. If this is making you feel attacked or targeted then please set aside that part of it and don’t discard the actual message, because this is honestly something everyone should think about.

Anytime you’re accepted somewhere, whether in public or among strangers, you have a lot of social power when it comes to setting the tone of conversation - one loud idiot can make a space feel extremely hostile to an outsider, and if everybody gives a polite laugh instead of speaking up that idiot learns saying things like that is okay and the “outsider” learns they’re not truly welcome. Literally one person who speaks up instead of letting it fly can solve this - the message is to be that person, not to attack anyone in particular.

If this is making you feel attacked or targeted

As a "cis het white man", I wouldn't dream to feel attacked by this and find it mind-boggling how anyone could be so fucking braindead and/or tone-deaf that they would feel attacked. But here we are, in a world where there is a "soon to be Nazi-America" where there was once the united states of America.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 30 points 5 days ago (4 children)

These comments, yeesh. I am a cis white dude, and I don't see how this post is offensive. As I've gotten older and more self-confident, I absolutely call people out for their garbage opinions/statements. Being a cis/straight/white dude it happens all the time that somebody says something racist/sexist/homophobic in front of me assuming I'll be sympathetic. I've used all these "scripts" and encourage you all to use them also.

[–] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Do you hear yourself right now?

'Cause you're spot on!

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[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Bro, not cool." With a stern look always sets the homies straight.

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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 56 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Honestly I haven’t had to say something in almost a decade

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 56 points 5 days ago

You're hanging out with the right people

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's all about where you live and what you look like.

I'm a huge white dude in a red state, I've been getting hit on by nazis since before I was a teenager because I look like their "ideal".

Like, when they picture their "master race" it's what I look like, so they always fucking assume I'll agree with any side comment they make.

If you're not in a super blue area, you're not hearing stuff because something identifies you as "them" and not "us". But even in blue areas I'll hear shit.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

I’m a white American immigrant in Germany. The shit people say to me about immigrants, which they then walk back with “but not you, you’re one of the good ones,” is infuriating.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

"What the fuck" with a disgusted look is my go to.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago (5 children)

My personal go-to is, “They’re a human being, just like you.”

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 days ago

The "do you hear yourself right now?" is a good one, gonna use it well

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm going to use all of these except the "I won't let you" because that could trigger the right wing persecution complex, and/or sound like fighting words.

I want them to think normal people (not me tbh) are put off by their weird shit.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago (15 children)

So Mexican dudes can't say these things, eh? Only white dudes, and only if they're straight?

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[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What the fuck is wrong with you?

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[–] kindenough@kbin.earth 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Pfff. Everytime my father in law goes on a racist diatribe I tell him, "Mustafa is what now?". He is my Egyptian brother in law and the kindest and hospitable person I know.

I also very dislike my father in law, used to be a somewhat good guy, then he got old and racist.

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[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

I told a coworker they were "full of shit" then repeated that when they said "what?"

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