Some are comparing it to Kristallnacht. People are truly insane.
this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2024
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That's just pure delusion and doesn't even compare to the mass political executions that happened. Football hooliganism is not at all equivalent.
BREAKING NEWS: Good Samaritans accused of doing a 2nd Kristallnacht for beating up the Nazis who were doing a 2nd Kristallnacht.
Liberals love their genocide denial, which is why they 
that onto us
Yes, because they want to believe it. It confirms their prejudices about muslims and aligns with the goals of western politicians/media (as in wanting to see palestinians and all muslims eradicated). After this i am fairly sure about this. Like, this would be a non-story if one of the participants weren't the supporters of an Israeli team. Like its a monthly, if not weekly occurrence in Europe that fans of a football team go fuck shit up in another city and then get hunted down. It was known that Maccabi fans fucked shit up on wednesday. Like, the information was available. Yet, western politicians and media CHOSE to ignore it and go with the "pogrom" line. This is absolutely, 100% deliberate.
I've heard from some chatter from some dutch 
s I don't normally like who are pissed about how the media is covering this and know the truth.
We're gonna have to just stop caring about being called "anti-Semitic". The word has lost all fucking meaning.
We're gonna have to just stop caring about being called "anti-Semitic". The word has lost all fucking meaning.
I don’t disagree but it’s really scary that Israel has pushed things to that point. Like I’m sorry, how long before the Star of David is considered a hate symbol no different from the swastika? Because if they keep spray painting it on the homes of innocent people they’ve destroyed it won’t be long.
Just show them the video evidence.
Also explain that associating the actions of Israel, which include bombing children, with jewishness is just blood libel with extra steps.
Video evidence makes it relatively easy to refute the media lies. I’m a bit burnt out right now but maybe I’ll make an effort post later that include events + videos for context. You can look up cestmocro on Instagram, they have a good summary of the events with videos.
Video evidence makes it relatively easy to refute the media lies
For some people, I think this will work, but so, so many people in my life refuse to change their minds.
It also doesn't help that I get emotional when talking about this kind of thing, because I get sick of one particular family member trying to hide that they're a fascist (they love stuff like Daily Wire and have admitted they want to ban all Muslims from entering the country). They do that annoying thing where they're like "I'm not right wing I'm a liberal 
" that they've learned from shitheads like Tim Pool.
Yeah that sucks. The videos only work for people who care about the truth.
Most people have no idea who maccabi fans are. Getting mildly beaten the softest thing they deserve to expirience.
maybe helpful?
"What are the strategic consequences of decisively rejecting the tripartite social theory advanced by Orwell, and adopting Marx’s all-encompassing one instead? The basic call to action looks something like this:
- Stop accusing the masses of being “brainwashed.” Stop treating them as cattle, stop attempting to rouse them into action by scolding them with exposure to “unpleasant truths.”
- Accept instead that they have been avoiding those truths for a reason. You were able to break through the propaganda barrier, and so could they if they really wanted to. Many of these people see you as the fool, and in many cases not without reason.
- Understanding people as intelligent beings, craft a political strategy that convincingly makes the case for why they and their lot are very likely to benefit from joining your political project. Not in some utopian infinite timescale, but soon.
- If you cannot make this case, then forget about convincing the person in question. Focus instead on finding other people to whom such a case can be made. This will lead you directly to class analysis."
https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels
You can’t be doing well if it seems like an improvement to base your life and your sense of self on a demonizing slander that you know is only a fantasy. To challenge that fantasy, to identify it as nothing more than that, is to threaten to send them back to whatever their lives were like before they latched onto this desperate alternative.
That suggests to me that if we are to have any hope of disabusing them of their fantasies, then we will need to recommend some third alternative, something other than the lie or the reality that had seemed even worse. https://redsails.org/false-witnesses/
cool info!
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