I'm glad she gets to leave. Obviously this is a good thing for her safety. It upsets me though, because she would have been one of the best individuals to stand up and help. Some of us don't have the ability to run. If we don't stand together, we fall separately.
this post was submitted on 08 Nov 2024
320 points (98.8% liked)
Transgender
189 readers
250 users here now
The Lemmy place to discuss the news and experiences of transgender people.
Rules:
-
Keep discussions civil.
-
Arguments against transgender rights will be removed.
-
No bigotry is allowed - including transphobia, homophobia, speciesism, racism, sexism, classism, ableism, castism, or xenophobia.
founded 4 months ago
MODERATORS
Why does she have to be the one to bravely stand up when 15 million people, Democrats, progressives, independents, didn't even bother to stand up next to her putting her in this situation?
Nah, the American people showed her what's kind of allies they would be and she's doesn't owe the moderates MLK wrote about to stand up with a target in her back when they won't have her back to begin with.
The American people loudly stood up and shouted "I am ok with bigotry, fascism, and also fuck you ". I don't blame her for running.
I didn't say she had to. I said she would have been one of the best individuals to do so. She has the unique position to push back at the transphobic rhetoric that is being spewed by those in power. One of which is her bio parent. She of all the fellow trans persons could have been a great face for a movement.
By your argument I should just go ahead and let them drag me in the street and shoot me in the head because, and I quote, "15 million people, Democrats, progressives, independents, didn't even bother to stand up..."
Those that can stand up to tyranny but choose not to, are burdened to shoulder the blame of the tyranny.
Well fuck, didn't realize that Anne Frank was to blame for the rise of Nazi Germany.
And no my argument is that for you to let them kill you, I mean for cripes sake talk about lack of reading comprehension, my argument simply was she's god damned allowed to feel hurt as shit, she's allowed to feel scared as shit, especially with a father advocating for her removal like you said, being dragged into the street and shot like an animal.
I'm arguing it's unfair for anyone to say she's a coward for not being at the front lines, putting herself in harms way when she just doing out that this country isn't better than we thought it was who she thought were her allies in this abandoned her when the fight was critical.
You don't get to accuse the person being beaten by a Nazi of being complicit when they don't punch back. You blame those around her waving signs in support of her cause and then shuffling back home when the beatings happened, they're the ones that shoulder the blame for tyranny, not her.
You put words in my mouth. Not once did I say she was a coward. Not once did I say she was not allowed to feel hurt or scared. You speak to me about reading comprehension yet skew my words to hear only chaste.
I do get to look down on those with power that flee while those without power must stay and fight.
Your Anne Frank comment is just wrong. She's not Anne Frank the rest of us in the trans community that can't leave are. She's the rich daughter of a Nazi that got to escape.
You're right that you never said she was a coward so apologies there, let me rephrase, it's unfair for anyone expecting her to stand up.
Either way, we are at an impasse with our opinion on her actions so I'll just leave it at that and wish you a good day, good luck, and fuck those who seek to eradicate because of their bigotry.
There are still ways to fight from the outside. We'll need support from everywhere, both in and out of the country. I don't think her moving means the end of her fight.
She can still do it, from a safe distance.
Her actually leaving and stating it is a great form of protest.
How? By showing those that oppress that their oppression is working exactly as they want it to?
That year, she legally changed her name and gender to distance herself from her father.
this wording doesn't sit well with me. it makes it seem like she "became" transgender solely to piss of elon musk
"That year, she legally changed her name and gender distancing herself from her father"
FTFY
Changing your legal gender is not what makes someone trans. There are tons of trans folks that never change their legal gender for lots of different reasons, even if they're theoretically able to. It's just one of the steps that trans folks might take, and not typically an early step, but it's by no means a binary that defines whether someone is trans or not.
i think that’s a very important point to make and i’m glad you said it.
my motivation for swapping “changed her legal gender” to ‘“became” trans’ was to highlight how, from my perspective, her gender transition has frequently been talked about as something that’s “done to others”, rather than as just a part of who she is. in the sense that elon musk talks about it as “losing a son to the woke mind virus”. and that sentence of the article felt like it was feeding into that narrative a bit.
but in hindsight, i definitely could’ve worded things better to make that point more clearly. my goal in putting “became” in quotes was to try to highlight how there isn’t really any set of actions people need to take in order to become trans, but it seems like that’s how some conservatives are talking about it. but i also don’t think i made that point particularly clear in my comment either.
Image being under international sanctions and not being able to leave the country you happen to be born in. According to many lemmy users this person shouldn't be able to leave and should march into the white house demanding trump resignations.