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I'll go first...

My favorite Fediverse platforms as of 2024

  1. Mastodon - my main social feed platform that first introduced me to the Fediverse in general.

  2. Lemmy - my second main social feed platform that originally substituted Reddit from years ago.

  3. Matrix protocol - communication platform I use to connect with users on the Lemmy instance I'm on

  4. Peertube - would love to get an account going and use it more often but still don't know how but there's FediVideo.

  5. Bookwyrm - Goodreads alternative that I signed up for that could use more work for a genuine reading tracker.

BONUS: my least favorite Fediverse platform lately

WordPress - because I used to run art blogs on there before I heard word about drama about the CEO of the corporation so I basically had to put out my last existing art blog...RIP.

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Hubzilla. Closely followed by the intentionally nameless fork of a fork...... of Hubzilla that's colloquially being referred to as (streams).

Perks of both (excerpt):

  • not based on ActivityPub, it's actually optional; you can turn/keep it off if you want to
  • nomadic identity; my channels are resilient against instance shutdown because they aren't restricted to one instance
  • multiple channels = IDs on one and the same account/login; no need to register additional user accounts for this, and you can easily switch back and forth between channels
  • OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on, both client-side and server-side support
  • very extensive permission settings that let me control what I see, what I don't see and what others can see and do
  • per-contact permission settings
  • per-channel blacklist/whitelist filter plus per-contact blacklist/whitelist filters plus keyword-triggered, automatically generated, reader-side content warnings, supporting regex and (except the latter) a special filter syntax for extra features
  • what's "lists" on Mastodon is actually useful because you can use it both to filter your stream and to limit whom you send a post to, not to mention much easier to maintain
  • a concept of conversations, you can follow entire discussions, and you generally receive all replies to a post (something that at least Mastodon doesn't have, by the way)
  • not only native support for discussion groups/forums, but they can and do host their own moderated discussion groups/forums (Mastodon has neither)
  • no arbitrary character limits, characters only limited by the instance database (on (streams), that's theoretically over 24,000,000 characters for one post)
  • probably more text formatting options than your typical blogging platform and definitely more than any microblogging project in the Fediverse
  • full-blown blog posts rendered gracefully
  • non-standard BBcode tags for special features, often observer-aware
  • embedded links; no need to plaster URLs into your posts in plain sight
  • images can be embedded "in-line" within the post with text above them and text below them
  • no limit on how many images a post can have
  • unlimited poll options
  • multiple-word hashtags
  • post categories in addition to hashtags
  • tag cloud plus category cloud/list
  • quotes
  • "quote-tweets"
  • extensively customisable Web UI
  • built-in file storage with a built-in file manager, per-file and per-directory permissions settings and WebDAV support that's used for images and other media you embed in your posts (unlike on Mastodon and Lemmy, you know where your uploaded images land, and you can delete them yourself if you need to)
  • federated event calendar with support for Event-type objects
  • built-in CalDAV calendar server (headless on (streams))
  • built-in CardDAV address book server (headless)
  • support for OAuth and OAuth2
  • modular; can be extended with official or, if available, third-party "apps", widgets and themes

Extra perks of Hubzilla:

  • currently more reliable
  • more active development
  • easier to get new users on board because hubs are listed on various Fediverse sites, and more public hubs are available
  • newer and more configurable version of the Redbasic theme
  • switchable night mode
  • multiple profiles per channel which can be assigned to certain connections
  • you can configure new connections before you confirm them
  • can also connect to diaspora*
  • can also subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds
  • event calendar also doubles as a basic frontend for the CalDAV server
  • non-federating, long-form articles
  • "cards" that work largely the same
  • built-in wiki engine based on either BBcode or Markdown for as many wikis of your own as you want to, each with as many pages as you want
  • support for webpages (the official Hubzilla website is on a Hubzilla channel itself)

Extra perks of (streams):

  • more advanced
  • better integration of ActivityPub into the two supported nomadic protocols
  • contact suggestions also include ActivityPub contacts
  • new default theme in addition to an older Redbasic version
  • reworked, more powerful but easier-to-use permissions system
  • easier to use once you're on board
  • supports BBcode, Markdown and HTML within the same post
  • can set Mastodon's sensitive flag for images
  • built-in announcement/boost/repost/renote/repeat remover, no need to use filter syntax for that
  • extra protection against both mention spam and hashtag spam
  • alt-text can be added to images upon upload, no need to graft it into the image-embedding markup code
  • verification of external identities (available on Mastodon as well, but not on Hubzilla)
[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I pretty much only use Lemmy but also contact friends and share photos on a Nextcloud instance one of them kindly provided (I assume it isn't federated though?).

I would really like to start using matrix but unless I host my own instance and get everything ready I'll never be able to convince my friends to switch, though some of them are slowly getting fed up with discord too.

[–] VanHalbgott@lemmy.autism.place 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Matrix means less memes, trolls, and internet stuff and more civil discussions with humans.

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I mostly use Discord for a few group chats, unixporn (please post more of it to Lemmy :3 !unixporn@lemmy.world) and some BG3 stuff. If the group chats moved to Matrix+Jitsi or even some form of Signal (that is still foss and does not require a phone number, self-hosted if possible) I would barely use Discord.

Edit because somehow I missed the most relevant part: I already barely get memes or trolls so not too many changes there.

[–] VanHalbgott@lemmy.autism.place 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

What does that face mean?

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Lemmy Peertube - the linux experiment is all i got so far but more content would b great. Also tubular integration is sick Matrix Mastodon

Havnt tried the rest but open to beibg convinced

You’d like Fediverse apps instead of all the more mainstream apps the world is using.

I left Facebook and Reddit because other people in my life are the real monsters.

Mastodon and Lemmy are nicer communities depending on what instance you go to.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Lemmy, shortly followed by Piefed.

Will probably switch once Piefed gets mobile apps support and comments view

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's so good about PieFed?

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Much more advanced moderation tools: https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/

Actual instance blocking compared to the incomplete "mute communities" instance blocking on Lemmy

Development seems fasters than Lemmy, they are almost at feature parity while being much younger

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 14 points 1 week ago (8 children)

On the other hand, it has some weirdly opinionated features:

  • Hiding downvoted comments (mob rule)
  • Marking people with many downvotes as "low reputation". I get it, getting many downvotes is a bad sign but I don't think the software should try to make a ruling here, I think human moderators should look at the whole picture. It doesn't make you a bad person that people disagree with you.
  • Communities organized into "topics" - I'm not certain if these groupings are decided by the dev or the admin? Either way I find it a bit problematic.
  • Marking certain communities as "low effort" and not counting "reputation" for those. I don't feel like the software should be making this kind of value judgement.
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[–] tron@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I looked thru this blog hopeful that there would be protection against mod abuse. Instead you can get banned for downvoting? I don't want to be looking over my back because some dipshit mod had a bad take. This is generating way too much analytical data on users. Communities don't need empowered super mods treating users like numbers on a spreadsheet. Lemmy for sure has problems (ml) but this isn't the answer.

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[–] jwr1@kbin.earth 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Piefed just needs an api, then we can add supoort as app developers.

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[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, Lemmy is the only one with content that appeals to me so far (at least to my knowledge, given the near-unsearchable nature of the fediverseso far). The platforms just aren't large enough.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Iirc Mastodon is about to add a global search function. I've never used it, nor even Twitter (back before it was cancelled into X), just passing on what I heard.

And PieFed and Mbin are also sort of "Lemmy" (though neither in that graphic that I saw:-).

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And PieFed and Mbin are also sort of “Lemmy” (though neither in that graphic that I saw:-).

It is quite an old graphic.

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[–] Aksamit@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Pretty sure Kbin is dead and gone, might want to update your tree.

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Lemmy, I like the simple post structure with all related commentary under the original submission.

Mastodon is fine for people who like it but it's hard to follow the thread of replies as every reply is its own individual post.

I guess the twatter format makes sense for dashing off quick messages but I find it hard to follow and it's difficult to find communities and topics of interest without also including a shit-ton of noise along with the signal.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 13 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Mbin now!

God willing ernst comes back

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[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For me it's definitely Lemmy. I don't like the microblogging format and never have. I've always used forums and then reddit.

The fediverse just works so well with Lemmy I think. It's so fun seeing new communities from instances I've never heard of. I think this format is perfect for the fediverse

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Mastodon. Easily better than Twitter in every way, even when it wasn’t full of garbage. Can’t say the same for Lemmy, it’s not bad, and in some ways better but in some ways worse.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)
  1. Lemmy
  2. Mastodon
  3. Pixelfed
  4. Various Misskey forks that are all about the same
  5. Peertube

Lemmy has eaten up just about all the time I used to spend on Mastodon. Pixelfed would be in the running for #1 if it hadn't become so vaporware-y in the last few months.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, that chart needs to be updated. AFAIK no instance is still on kbin, everything has gone to mbin. It's also missing pyfedi/piefed

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[–] eldrichhydralisk@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Mastodon has successfully replaced Twitter for me, so it's by far my favorite. It does still need better tools for dealing with large-scale posts and users, but overall it feels like it's actually doing the job I want done.

I want to like Piefed/Lemmy more than I actually do. The Fediverse answer to Reddit just doesn't feel ready for prime time yet. It's hard to find/connect with communities and the user base doesn't have that "can address basically any question" magic.

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[–] mo_lave@reddthat.com 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I only use Lemmy, so... Lemmy.

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nextcloud is federated? First time I hear about that.

For me it's Lemmy, without a doubt. Never used Twitter, tried mastodon to see what it's all about, didn't like it.

Matrix seems decent, but nobody I know uses it, and finding useful groups is painful, especially on other instances (servers, whatever they call them).

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 9 points 1 week ago

Also, I am confused at why nextcloud is at the intersection of networking, music, and multimedia.

Yes it technically has a video viewer and music player, but I would be very surprised if any person in the world right now is genuinely using it to post that content to the fediverse social-network style.

[–] Cossty@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I really wanted to like bookwyrm and use it but it's just so bare bones. Instead, I switched from goodreads to StoryGraph like two years ago. I really like some of its features like content warnings, moods, very detailed stats of my reading habits, etc.

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[–] hankskyjames777@thebrainbin.org 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

A Roblox alternative in the fediverse.

Because I want to get off Roblox.

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[–] kirbowo808@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Mine is…..

  1. Wafrn (endless customisations unlike Misskey and Sharkey) and has react buttons too with extra features such as anonymous questions etc. Basically Tumblr but way better and FOSS too.

  2. Mastodon, very stable, great way to find out current events with minimal reactive posts etc. It just works.

  3. Mbin, a very much more stable and regularly updated fork of kbin, and getting the best of both worlds without having to use Lemmy, due to the problematic nature of Lemmy creators.

  4. BookWyrm, ethical version of GoodReads (and gives you control to add books that are not on the system, enhancing your experience and overall much better than GoodReads imo.

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[–] vittoria666@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Lemmy. I love to read the posts and play the media.

[–] nate@social.trom.tf 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@VanHalbgott I like friendica, it works with Lemmy, microblogging platforms, and macroblogging platforms. I'm maybe not online as much as the average user (and often read fediverse content via bridges instead of nativly), so it's a nice consolation of everything. It also supports rich text and higher char limits for more nuanced posts/replies.

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[–] lizard-socks@pandacap.azurewebsites.net 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I feel like there's still a pretty big gap in the drawing / art space. I want something that works like the furry art sites all work, which means (a) art posts and text posts separated into distinct feeds, and (b) thumbnails in a grid instead of a vertical timeline. I built a web app to do this but unfortunately it's single-user (and basically locked to the Azure cloud). In the meantime, Pixelfed works pretty well for following Mastodon artists.

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[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

I am finding I like Mastodon the best. Lemmy has potential, but I think the political extremism and lack of hobbyist culture here currently, mixed with the incredibly confusing on-boarding process beginners have to navigate, along with the name, all contribute to making it DOA.

[–] Marzanna@yiffit.net 6 points 1 week ago

There is Matrix but no XMPP :(

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