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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 107 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Libs turning into election deniers is actually useful for radicalizing them imo

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would give anything for a magic mirror you could hold up to blue Maga to make them realize they are the exact thing they despise.

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

Reminds me (an old man) of the Jane’s Addiction song “Idiots Rule,” which feels like an anthem for today: “You know the man you hate; you look more like him every day…”

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

no, instigate 😈

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 94 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It was obvious in Trump country that enthusiasm had waned. Nobody here seemed to care. Or maybe they couldn’t afford all the flags and hats and other Trump merch this time.

It was also obvious that the Democrats were going to lose votes. 15 million is a downright Clintonian achievement, though.

It’s so strange that Dick Cheney’s endorsement didn’t drive Democrats to the polls.

[–] BioClock@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago

But I was assured the democrats needed to reach across the aisle to secure the non-existant “republican with decency” vote?

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trumpers were absolutely less frothing this time around. I remember seeing all sorts of fucked up shit in rural areas in 2016 & 2020. I'm talking a literal Trump shrine, a stuffed Obama lynching, Trump signs with light displays, giant pictures of Trump's face, and TRUMP painted in massive letters on the side of barns. Nothing like that this time, outside of big signs.

Idk anyone under 35 who admitted to wanting to vote for Harris. Some probably did, but at best a majority of them were on the fence about whether to vote for her or a 3rd party.

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I lived in a very Asian and liberal part of the LA metro area in 2020, and Trumpers had truck parades through here open carrying their guns, blowing their horns, complete with “fuck your feelings” flags.

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

Clinton in 2016 depressed turnout among the base and independents, Harris ran a base destruction campaign.

[–] The_sleepy_woke_dialectic@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm in middle of nowhere northern minnesota and I think it was more enthusiastic than ever. I saw huge banners on RVs parked in front yards, trucks driving around blasting that rich men north of Richmond song (multiple occasions) three opportunist moms for liberty dorks running for the school board, Trump hats, and way more Trump signs than I saw in '16 Even family who has always been lib were quoting trump talking points.

[–] ColonelKataffy@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i was surprised at how close MN was. hasn't it been a blue stronghold for....ever?

Yeah, only state Reagan lost

And we're the only state that doesn't have a democratic party, we have the Democratic-Farmer-Labor party

[–] BioClock@hexbear.net 85 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Wonder if supporting a genocide and material conditions deteriorating, with neither giving hope of betterment, could have made people go apathetic? Just a thought

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 73 points 2 months ago (2 children)

no, an evil russian wizard put a racism spell on them

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago

I can't believe russia made the usa racist 250 years ago

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I love that russia is clearly busy with other shit to the point libs will hopefully be laughed out of the toom if they try this excuse this time.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

no, i'm afraid it's russiagate from now on. world and time and russiagate without end.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 2 months ago

No, no: it's the voters who are wrong.

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

It really sucks that Rumsfeld died. His endorsement combined with Dick Cheney’s could have really swung this thing for the Dems.

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 76 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Blue Jan 6! Come on, you know you want it!

[–] miz@hexbear.net 71 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

they're gonna be so surprised when the cops give them the pro-Palestine protestor treatment, not the January 6th / Charlottesville rally treatment

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 72 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Oh please blue Maga Jan 6th involves chanting inside the set up barricades and then leaving ten minutes early to beat traffic, shaking hands with every cop you pass on the way out to really show the chuds what civility looks like. They never reach the steps let alone the building.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago
[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Also the cast of Hamilton will be there

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago

via-getty but like, wearing a pussy hat

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 72 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"I mean it's not like those 15 million voters have been screaming at the top of their lungs they wouldnt vote for a candidate that supported the genocide for nearly two years at this point"

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 92 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It is extremely generous to assume that 15m Americans give a shit about genocide. Kamala lost because of the economy. Foreign wars was a minor point against her. The American electorate is bloodthirsty and ignorant, they don't vote based on foreign policy unless it directly harms them. Kamala lost this election far more because of inflation and cost of living.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 60 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kamala lost because she absolutely refused to promise any actual positive policies or changes.

[–] Feline@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

And she was running to the right of Biden on labor issues

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 41 points 2 months ago

Fair point there was also all the other stuff we were screaming about like how pointing toa a graph condescendingly didn't lower grocery bills.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If they voted for Biden in 2020 expecting things to get better, why would they vote for the same platform again when they saw everything get worse under his admin? What enthusiasm existed?

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It turns out "you have to accept you won't get anything you want and vote for us anyway and then next time we'll give you what you want" actually does only work so many times in a row.

Democrats are Lucy holding the football but they're so fucking bad at politics Charlie brown actually figured out that she was gonna yank the ball away from him again this time.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

I think you can enrich the picture by realizing that liberal democracy as a form of governance, in its entirety, is Lucy, and by being satisfied with voting Trump instead of revolting Charlie has yet to realize the football has once again been yanked away.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

But the graphs said things were getting better!

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Don't worry, for every three million Trump voters we pick up in the suburbs we'll only lose eighteen million Democrats in the city.

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

According to that graph that was posted, it was like 5% of Republican voters, which is at most 4-5 million in the entire country lol

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 months ago

I vote Jeff Tiedrich to be the BlueAnon Shaman

Brooklyn Dad Defiant can be the guy who puts his feet up on someone's desk

[–] Feline@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago

Third election cycle in a row with historically unpopular candidates

libs: And I'm supposed to believe millions of people sat this election out?

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

Fed account injecting the next conspiracy into the discourse.

I've been saying for a decade that this account is run by feds and I won't be stopping now.

[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Like half of California's votes haven't been counted yet.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

is there still a chance they won't endorse slavery

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

every referendum in california is either about modifying some procedure that no one cares about (80% for, 20% against) or doing an unquestionably good thing (47% for, 53% against, sisyphus)

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

does nobody understand that not all votes have been counted yet?

[–] darkcalling@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well I should point out I could easily see between high hundreds of thousands and over a million Trump people simply dying because A) a lot of them are old B) Covid which they deny and had 4 years to die from it.

I could also see a million or so being disillusioned with Trump, either Q people who thought he'd do different or people who saw something else in him that he didn't live up in his new campaigning. Also a lot easier to just check the box to re-elect the president for a certain amount of Americans who may not even be consistent Republicans but just people who thought he did a good enough job giving them free money during Covid and deserved to continue. So those numbers are if anything low and suggest IMO he probably gained some voters as well between losing people to dying and disillusionment and such.

So then the discussion must go towards those Democratic voters, they must have really alienated them, they must have really lost the enthusiasm and angered them. Sure we can discount a couple million as racists who voted for Biden because he was a white man with ties to anti-busing and crime legislation and KKK leadership but not nearly all of them. There's still a significant chunk, millions and millions you have to account for.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

What do you U mean it doesn't add up?

People are been pretty vocal about not liking either party

[–] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Blue MAGA: "WE RIDE!"