Do you think we'll get primaries back? And not the fake ones we're use to.

Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.

I'm not necessarily attributing blame here, but I'm pretty sure that OP is suggesting that leftist memes helped lead to this apathy. Say what you will, Trump voters were excited for their candidate... somehow, despite the list of reasons not to being far too long to be listed here. But many on the left either were just lukewarm on her, just considered her the lesser of two evils, or were protest voting third party or abstaining for one reason or another, mostly over Palestine. And there were memes galore to make clear to everyone what the general mood was. It doesn't exactly inspire enthusiasm to those that need that a lot of enthusiasm to even bother (those people are frustrating, btw). I don't know how much it actually contributed to or propogated the apathy versus how much it just reflected the apathy already there, but a case could be made either way.

There's a million reasons people have given me for voting Trump, none of them rational. But the classic tropes of fear and disgust won out again. I'm old enough to remember the 2004 election, then it was gay people. Now it's trans people and dark-skinned migrants. I really didn't think those old tropes would work this time, but it just keeps working. Americans will just keep falling for it, apparently.

While it's depressing that we're reminded of the power of dumb at hateful people yet again, we should remember that nothing actually changed in that regard this election. We're just discovering what's always been there beneath the surface. I don't think the malaise we're feeling now is so much about what Trump will do - sure scores of people will die from bad policy, but that's nothing new. Rather, we're upset about what this reveals about ourselves. But we shouldn't be upset about the act of revelation, because it tells us what we need to fix.

Why do you think the turnout was so low? Millions of idiots were pressuring people to withhold their vote over Palestine in a colossal self-fuck. That is if you assume these people spreading that are really that stupid. Some were, but I think a large percentage were paid trolls. And their campaigning worked. Russia owns the United States now

lol. 10% (or was it 4% a few hours ago from you dunces...) that literally cost harris 25 electoral points. oops! sure she could have done more on labor. but she wouldn't even fucking shift to stop being pro-genocide. I doubt she gave a shit about your eggs costing a few cents more. or if you were LGBT+. so she wasnt going to get those votes either.

Ok, but like at the end of the day, Michigan didn't fucking matter... it was over the minute Trump won PA . Besides that, look at the demographics and how they voted. Young people, those most likely to care about the Gazan genocide, split the vote by gender for Trump and Kamala. Specifically young white and Latino men overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Is that supposed to indicate that caring about the genocide in Gaza, something Trump has repeatedly talked about amping up, is something that the vast majority of the voting populace cared about? No. Kamala got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020, and I'm tired of this same gaza, black woman, etc spiel. It can't be chalked up to these things alone. The democrats ran an appointed candidate that never would have won a primary on her own, and got the consequences of that.

The blame is not on Biden, nor is it on Harris for not caring about Gaza. The blame lies squarely on democratic party for not figuring out a plan sooner, and the 14 million voters that appeared 4 years ago when it was trendy, but not now when the threat is most grim. Not to mention the fact that not voting for Kamala when her opponent has not only stated that he will allow Israel to continue, but will actually ramp up their genocide is just fucking stupidity, no two ways about it. Just as we tell Trump voters not to vote with their feelings and to listen to rational arguments, we must tell left-leaning voters the same.

I now wish he'd won in 2020. Maybe it would have finally been the thing that stopped D from tacking to the right. Plus, we'd be a month away from being done with him now. We'd be a month away from starting to rebuild from 8 years of his shit. (well ok, more like two months)

Instead, factoring in the supreme court, the house and senate, and figuring all the shit he dismantles will take more than just 4 years to put back together, I figure I'll be dead of old age (as will anyone over 50) by the time any of the progressive goals that seemed like they could one day be obtainable at the end of 2020 actually have any chance of becoming obtainable again.

And that's on top of the untold horrors that await the queer community, people of color, folks with special needs, etc etc during the next four years, and I'm now not 100% sure we'll get another election at all.