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I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 29 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What do you mean? Trump won decisively. Electoral, popular, in the senate, etc...

You're really asking, "how does a minority continue to exist in the face of a fascist majority?"

The answer is, generally, they don't.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I think that is an oversimplification. He won the popular vote, but that's the majority of voters, not the majority of people, right? So we cannot accurately say that the majority is fascist. We can only say that the voting majority is fascist.

And then we need to look at who was conned, and how. Of course people who got conned need to work harder to avoid that in the future. We all agree on that. At the same time, the con artists and the people who enable the con, we also need to identify them and figure out what's making them successful. If we talk about major newspapers and TV networks failing to cover how bad Trump actually was, or putting Harris on unrealistic pedestal, newspaper owners refusing to allow newspaper editors to endorse a candidate, the way Fox News preys on people who grew up trusting TV news and now have only watched Fox for the last two decades, open lies about who's eating cats and dogs, a DNC that pushes centrist candidates even after 2016 when the weakness was exposed, and it's clear that many left-wing voters are wildly unhappy, those are all things that smaller groups have done to help create the situation that we saw yesterday. And that's just a short list.

So what I hope we can do, is I hope we can avoid saying something trite like, this is what the American people wanted, full stop. If you want to make that a conversation starter, go for it. But it shouldn't be a dismissive conversation ender, because it ignores what actually happened and What will continue to happen in the future.

[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

He won the popular vote, but that's the majority of voters, not the majority of people, right?

Right, the rest are just so lazy and consumed by apathy that they could not be bothered to vote when THESE were the stakes. I think we can confidently rule them out for any advocacy for our freedom.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil.

Firstly, undestanding what left actually is would be a good start. You're not talking about the left. You're talking about liberals. Liberalism isn't left. Liberalism is right-wing, and always have been.

The actual left is very happy to be "uncivil."

Secondly, a good second step would be to finally accept that liberals, and liberalism in general, has never, and will never, oppose fascism.

Those are two very basic things you can do right now.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 hour ago

So the way it looks now, Trump has won the presidency, and his allies will have the senate and house of representatives, and they already had the supreme court. The three branches of government will not be working as checks on each other's power, unless we get very lucky and the various factions that make up the GOP split. This is obviously very, very bad, but there are still some checks on presidential power.

  1. Trump's last term was a clusterfuck. Things may just be so disorganized that he struggles to actually get what he wants done.

  2. The states have limited power to defy the feds. While case law does state that federal law supercedes state law, that doesn't mean all States will immediately cooperate wholeheartedly. Obviously a court battle will eventually get to the supreme court, but that takes time and requires a single panel of judges to beat multiple states into line on each new policy.

  3. Governments do have a small amount of caution when it comes to their people. One thing the crazy conservatives had right this whole time was that fundamentally, nobody was ever going to come for their guns because nobody wants to force a confrontation with a bunch of armed lunatics. In the same way, they'll probably try to avoid massive riots and general strikes simply because it isn't worth the fight to whoever is responsible.

  4. Citizens can resist. Go to protests, donate to political advocacy organizations (the ACLU will have its work cut out for it), and for Christ's sake, go vote! Show up every year, just not every 4 years. Without the cooperation of congress, his power would be significantly curtailed.

  5. If nothing else, terms are limited. In 2 years we can swing congress. He isn't going to be able to pass a constitutional amendment to do what he likes before that. If we swing congress in two years, it will slow him down significantly, and then we can replace him in 2028. Hopefully people will actually keep showing up long enough after that to reverse all the damage he's likely to do in the next 4 years.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Too late for that.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They don't. It was never their country to begin with, clearly.

The majority of the U.S. has been racist, bigoted, misogynists from the beginning. Hell, the entire electoral college system that just fucked everyone over is a compromise that was put into place because a bunch of rich white landowners in the Antebellum south couldn't stand the idea of freed black men's votes having as much power as theirs. So they immediately rigged the system to keep them in control of who gets power because you better believe no black man was ever going to be an elector.

That is who your country is. There was a brief period from the 60s to the 80s where it became declasse to be an asshole, and so they mostly shut up during that time when they were in public, and then went home and took out their frustration by beating their wives and kids.

Then along came the modern republican party, who began to tear down that cloak of respectability, and it emboldened all of those wife beating shit-heads to say "Hey...we can be assholes again...go us."

This is your America. It always has been. I'm sorry if that hurts. I really am. But right now I'm also goddamned angry at your country on behalf of my country and all the others that have to be caught in the blast.

[–] x0chi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

That's how I see it and I'm sure many like me (not us citizens) will start to see it. People aren't being fooled, they like what they see in it when they voted. At least half Americans do

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Realistically? It's too late.

We now have an ultra-conservative SC for the rest of our lives. The Republican party openly stated and ran on making fundamental changes to our government if they won the House/Senate/Presidency and to "defeat the enemy within".

It doesn't even really matter if the suffering that is coming shocks our society into rebounding in 4 years. The locked in SC and fundamental changes to our government will have already been set in place. Government departments will be run by appointees with absolutely no experience. Entire departments could be re-staffed with partisan political appointees if we are to believe the words of some of the people Trump promised to appoint. We have been placed squarely on the path to decline. That decline won't happen overnight, but in our lifetimes it will become undeniable. We will probably barely recognize this country by the end of our lives.

This election determined the political order we will live under for the rest of our lives.

Buy a gun. Try to find happiness within your immediate sphere. And stay safe, if you can. Very, very few people will come out on top in the scenario we now find ourselves in. Give it a few years and you'll see. They have total control now, so there's no one else to blame for the decline that's essentially guaranteed to become apparent in the near future. But I'm sure if they do fail, immigrants will be at the top of the blame list.

It was a worthy experiment while it lasted.

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party needs to run a candidate that is elected through a fair primary process. When this happens, dems win.

2008 - Obama was popular and won the primary 2012 - same 2016 - It was deemed Clinton’s turn, she was given every advantage, and lost 2020 - Biden won the primary as elected by the people, then won again 2024 - Harris was given the candidacy without having to primary, and lost

It is a simple trend.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Though to be fair, Biden won the (practically uncontested) primaries in 2024 and probably would have gotten his shit stomped in just as hard

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I wouldn’t call the 2024 primaries fair. Biden was ordained, like Clinton.

There’s a reason these predetermined candidates keep losing.

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

Win back? This country was bought and paid for long before any of us were alive. We keep fighting against the oligarhy for liberty and freedom like we've always done.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 38 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Go to your Democratic party and demand change.

Find a candidate that will stand on the basis of free healthcare, equal rights, the right to union, enforcing a higher minimum wage, enforcing paid sick leave and a minimum of 20 days holiday a year, and committing to lowering the cost of living.

Once someone stands up for this, push them to the moon for the next four years. Tell anyone else NOT on this platform to fuck off.

Essentially, America needs a Project 2029.

[–] skysurfer@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I like the sentiment, but that is predicated on there being another election under the same rule set which would allow either party to win. If things come to pass with the unitary executive theory outlined in Project 2025 and the dictatorship desires that have already been declared, makes it unlikely votes will work to change political parties going forward...

[–] x0chi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago
[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

I'll also add that you need to primary basically anyone that has been in politics for more than 15 years. There is just too much, "common sense," in this party that is just wrong. In 2016, it was smart to run a centrist campaign that tried to move moderates away from Trump, and it failed. In 2024, they ran the same fucking campaign, and it failed.

There are well intentioned people that somehow still think that the 1992, third-way strategy will deliver gains through incrementalism, and it's just not going to happen. Primary them, so that they at least have to contend with the new political realities. Trump picked up working class voters across across all demographics, not just the white working class. Everyone wants change; offer real change.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 49 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The average death age of any empire is 250 years.

Tick tock America. You're proving that figure to be correct.

[–] card797@champserver.net 55 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

America has past the point of no return on education. Anti-intellectualism is the status quo now. It's only gonna get worse now.

[–] x0chi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

They won't need it.. they got people to think what it's best for them, what books are good or bad, what values you should have, how you should live. And then they will also have chatgpt and AI that will answer their doubts and even do their work cause they won't be capable of doing it. I wonder if the AI will get "less smart" because of their clients needs being more basic. We'll see

[–] InSamsara@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago

Blame the democrats for choosing a weak nominee. The left could either whine and burn down every big city or give trump another ear piercing, your choice guys.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 36 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Biden could do some official acts. But he won't.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

He should at least transfer a shitton of military gear to Ukraine in the coming days. Not little stuff either.

Top-tier tanks, jets, warships, and more. Enough to absolutely crush the Russian war machine. Basically everything shy of nukes and loads of it.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 45 points 8 hours ago

But he won't

Should be the DNC motto.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 56 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Facism is capitalism in decay. America just proved that the decay is rapid.

Liberal institutions just paved the way for facism to take root.

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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 44 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

I'm not sure that we do. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

With a functional justice department we'd have a chance. There's nothing to stop them from tweaking the electoral lines. There's nothing to stop them from not certifying an election. We're about to have the scotus filled with young like-minded Republicans. We're about to have every federal judge biased for them.

Even having both sides of Congress the best thing we could do would be to status quo because every time a veto is overturned the scotus could just stamp it down as unconstitutional.

The president has God King status, he can have opponents jail for executed.

The thing is even if none of these things were in play, The popular vote just voted for a dictatorship. He was utterly and absolutely clear and anyone that says he was joking around doesn't actually believe that they're just too embarrass socially to announce that they themselves are racist/fascist/misogynist. There is nothing here to win back. We're better than 50% rotten to the core and those people aren't going away.

Even this election wasn't right versus left it's right versus more right. If you put a true left candidate in they're just going to get murdered. (That may or may not be literal)

[–] erev@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not sure that we do. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

I don't understand this sentiment as I'm hearing it a lot.

We've elected a fascist into the highest office. We're cooked. There's a lot we can do right now, but the most important thing is organizing. Organizing your community, your family, your town/village/city. Organizing mutual aid, direct action, and resistance. How much more do we need until people actually get off their asses and start doing something about it? Like the time for peaceful and democratic means of avoiding fascism was before the election. But a fascist is now in power, so are we going to wait until the troops are rolling down the street to do anything? I'm not saying go out and just commit wanton acts of violence in the name of revolution, but the longer we wait the more difficult it will become to get organized, involved, and yes armed.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

I don’t understand this sentiment

There’s a lot we can do right now, but the most important thing is organizing

Organizing? Resistance? Armed? That's honestly insane.

You're going to organize against half the US? Gonna start a civil war with every last (fully armed) enemy in your own backyard?

They could blockade cities from food and shut down any movement in 3 days.

The Civil War worked efficiently because there was a battlefront. This is more of a Republican Soup.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

Good luck with your local police. They'll get a federal warrant and gleefully raid your home at 3 am.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 31 points 10 hours ago

Americans have lost. Bestyou can do is try to save NATO.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 40 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (10 children)

THIS is the moment where everyone should be creating 3rd party candidates and going to the streets to spread awareness for the next election.

Not 6 months before the election with trump as a possibility. Get out there and promote 3rd party now, when people are pissed at Democrats for throwing it all away for Israel and people are pissed the trump won.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

"Next election" is the issue here.

Those playbooks are for democracy. This is different territory now.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 35 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

IMO third party is not viable unless we change our voting system, but people keep voting out the progressive reform party so fat chance.

EDIT: 100% for independents in Congress tho, as long as it doesnt split the vote for progressives.

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