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I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

What do you mean? Trump won decisively. Electoral, popular, in the senate, etc...

You're really asking, "how does a minority continue to exist in the face of a fascist majority?"

The answer is, generally, they don't.

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

The Democratic Party needs to run a candidate that is elected through a fair primary process. When this happens, dems win.

2008 - Obama was popular and won the primary 2012 - same 2016 - It was deemed Clinton’s turn, she was given every advantage, and lost 2020 - Biden won the primary as elected by the people, then won again 2024 - Harris was given the candidacy without having to primary, and lost

It is a simple trend.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 34 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Go to your Democratic party and demand change.

Find a candidate that will stand on the basis of free healthcare, equal rights, the right to union, enforcing a higher minimum wage, enforcing paid sick leave and a minimum of 20 days holiday a year, and committing to lowering the cost of living.

Once someone stands up for this, push them to the moon for the next four years. Tell anyone else NOT on this platform to fuck off.

Essentially, America needs a Project 2029.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

I'll also add that you need to primary basically anyone that has been in politics for more than 15 years. There is just too much, "common sense," in this party that is just wrong. In 2016, it was smart to run a centrist campaign that tried to move moderates away from Trump, and it failed. In 2024, they ran the same fucking campaign, and it failed.

There are well intentioned people that somehow still think that the 1992, third-way strategy will deliver gains through incrementalism, and it's just not going to happen. Primary them, so that they at least have to contend with the new political realities. Trump picked up working class voters across across all demographics, not just the white working class. Everyone wants change; offer real change.

[–] skysurfer@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

I like the sentiment, but that is predicated on there being another election under the same rule set which would allow either party to win. If things come to pass with the unitary executive theory outlined in Project 2025 and the dictatorship desires that have already been declared, makes it unlikely votes will work to change political parties going forward...

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 41 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The average death age of any empire is 250 years.

Tick tock America. You're proving that figure to be correct.

[–] card797@champserver.net 48 points 7 hours ago

America has past the point of no return on education. Anti-intellectualism is the status quo now. It's only gonna get worse now.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 32 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Biden could do some official acts. But he won't.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

He should at least transfer a shitton of military gear to Ukraine in the coming days. Not little stuff either.

Top-tier tanks, jets, warships, and more. Enough to absolutely crush the Russian war machine. Basically everything shy of nukes and loads of it.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 41 points 7 hours ago

But he won't

Should be the DNC motto.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 52 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Facism is capitalism in decay. America just proved that the decay is rapid.

Liberal institutions just paved the way for facism to take root.

[–] M600@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'd like to learn more about

Facism is capitalism in decay.

Is that just a think people say or are their studies or books about this?

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Facism is a reaction to the institutional failures of capitalism brought about by many scholars. Mainly brought about by the working class left behind looking for a change to the system.

Places in history where it happened

italy (1920's) voters wanted a stronger economy with trains to run on time germany (1920's) voters wanted a stronger economy without a destabilization of currency

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Is that just a think people say or are there studies or books about this?

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 39 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not sure that we do. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

With a functional justice department we'd have a chance. There's nothing to stop them from tweaking the electoral lines. There's nothing to stop them from not certifying an election. We're about to have the scotus filled with young like-minded Republicans. We're about to have every federal judge biased for them.

Even having both sides of Congress the best thing we could do would be to status quo because every time a veto is overturned the scotus could just stamp it down as unconstitutional.

The president has God King status, he can have opponents jail for executed.

The thing is even if none of these things were in play, The popular vote just voted for a dictatorship. He was utterly and absolutely clear and anyone that says he was joking around doesn't actually believe that they're just too embarrass socially to announce that they themselves are racist/fascist/misogynist. There is nothing here to win back. We're better than 50% rotten to the core and those people aren't going away.

Even this election wasn't right versus left it's right versus more right. If you put a true left candidate in they're just going to get murdered. (That may or may not be literal)

[–] erev@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not sure that we do. Not in our lifetimes anyway.

I don't understand this sentiment as I'm hearing it a lot.

We've elected a fascist into the highest office. We're cooked. There's a lot we can do right now, but the most important thing is organizing. Organizing your community, your family, your town/village/city. Organizing mutual aid, direct action, and resistance. How much more do we need until people actually get off their asses and start doing something about it? Like the time for peaceful and democratic means of avoiding fascism was before the election. But a fascist is now in power, so are we going to wait until the troops are rolling down the street to do anything? I'm not saying go out and just commit wanton acts of violence in the name of revolution, but the longer we wait the more difficult it will become to get organized, involved, and yes armed.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

I don’t understand this sentiment

There’s a lot we can do right now, but the most important thing is organizing

Organizing? Resistance? Armed? That's honestly insane.

You're going to organize against half the US? Gonna start a civil war with every last (fully armed) enemy in your own backyard?

They could blockade cities from food and shut down any movement in 3 days.

The Civil War worked efficiently because there was a battlefront. This is more of a Republican Soup.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Good luck with your local police. They'll get a federal warrant and gleefully raid your home at 3 am.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There's nothing to stop them from tweaking the electoral lines.

Given that the Democrats have known the districts have been gerrymandered to hell and back for decades now, why haven't they spent any time at all doing their own redistricting, rather than strongly pushing agendas that affect 0.5% of the country?

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

Oh dems have. But you have to have control of the state to do that. Hogan (R governor) tried his damnest to unwrap central Maryland from Western Maryland.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 29 points 8 hours ago

Americans have lost. Bestyou can do is try to save NATO.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 41 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (9 children)

THIS is the moment where everyone should be creating 3rd party candidates and going to the streets to spread awareness for the next election.

Not 6 months before the election with trump as a possibility. Get out there and promote 3rd party now, when people are pissed at Democrats for throwing it all away for Israel and people are pissed the trump won.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

"Next election" is the issue here.

Those playbooks are for democracy. This is different territory now.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 34 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

IMO third party is not viable unless we change our voting system, but people keep voting out the progressive reform party so fat chance.

EDIT: 100% for independents in Congress tho, as long as it doesnt split the vote for progressives.

[–] Philosofuel@futurology.today 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Do you really think they lost over their stance on Israel/Palestina? Not saying it doesn't matter. But I feel if you see how many votes republicans got, that a lot of (perceived) domestic issues played a very big role.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

20 million people did not stay home over Palestine. People aware of that issue are also acutely aware of the fact Trump would be worse.

Apparently a lot of apathy among dem voters, or they also think a strongman for a while would be OK.

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[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

If Trump actually won, it is too late. Time to make plans to leave if you can, otherwise, prepare for the worst

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 57 points 10 hours ago (18 children)

Honestly at this point y'all should just get the fuck out. Where to? Anywhere honestly. You'll probably find the third world preferable to a post project 2025 Murica.

Russia's been having a major brain drain issue as all people with functioning brains either have escaped or want to escape the country. I don't see why Americans should do any different.

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