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[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

"If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing."

I heard this before and it is becoming more true each day.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I pirate everything, own everything and I'm happy as fuck. I even share my Jellyfin server with 20 other people so they can share in my joy.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 12 hours ago

They should pay you monthly for your costs. (:

[–] uis@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy!

Can we get communism already?

[–] deadlyduplicate@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Found this out when I wanted a decent journaling app for Android. All the most popular ones have subscription tiers that amount to hundreds of dollar over just a few years.... for a fucking journal app? what the hell!

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not only that but they can train their AI's on all their subscribers' journal entries. Check F-Droid.org for some free, privacy respecting FLOSS journaling apps.

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[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Definitely feel ya there. I highly recommend Obsidian or Joplin. Not sure what features you're looking for, but I've found Obsidian refreshingly simple. Aso nice knowing that it's just markdown files on my device that can't be sold as data.

[–] jmf@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

if you are looking for an Foss alternative for obsidian, check out logseq. it isn't a 1 for 1 copy of obsidian and its feature set, but the way I use them they are identical, besides the source code availability!

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 11 points 3 days ago

F-Droid... An open source app store with exactly that: Apps without BS

[–] sibachian@lemmy.ml 45 points 3 days ago (5 children)

the biggest reason for subscriptions is. 1. consumer laws don't protect it. and 2. you can quit your job and don't have to be actually productive and work for a living because your users will just keep on "buying" the product every month indefinitely. and finally 3. subscription basically gives you monopoly in any given area you host it; because the user will usually not look or even have the means to look for options or alternatives once they have already tied a percentage of their monthly income to a company for the software or service they provide - as wallets got spread thinner and thinner until they, now, are entirely swallowed by subscriptions.

the only people arguing in favor of subscriptions are those who don't want to work for a living while still taking advantage of the capitalist system.

[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I worked at Amazon and the head of Ring said their best customers were people who bought a subscription and then put the camera in a drawer and forgot about it. They don't even want to provide you a service. They want you to absentmindedly give them money every month because you forgot to cancel.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fine, but this is on the buyer not on the seller.
I mean, if you buy a subscription to something and then don't use it (or forgot to cancel while not using it) is not really a seller fail: you would have wasted your money even you'd have bought it without a subscription.

I get subscriptions are (mostly) bad, but it is not always a seller fault and the buyer should be aware of what he is doing or spending money.

[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get what you're saying but the forgetful customer is explicitly what they said they want, which is dumb any way you look at it. Many times you're forced into signing up for subscription, or coerced under the guise of a free trial. Now this wouldn't be as bad if they came back and were like, "hey we see you haven't used our service in a while, do you still need it?" rather than just leeching money from the user. The system is designed to purposely allow the user to make these errors and that's wrong any way you want to shape it.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 20 hours ago

I get what you’re saying but the forgetful customer is explicitly what they said they want, which is dumb any way you look at it.

I don't disagree on that.

Many times you’re forced into signing up for subscription, or coerced under the guise of a free trial. Now this wouldn’t be as bad if they came back and were like, “hey we see you haven’t used our service in a while, do you still need it?”

Maybe, but at this point I doubt that a forgetful customer would pay attention to it. What would really make the difference would be to renew the subscription explicitly. This way you could be forced to sign for a false free trial, but you would also need to confirm a subsequent subscription.

rather than just leeching money from the user. The system is designed to purposely allow the user to make these errors and that’s wrong any way you want to shape it.

Yes, this is another way to see it. But the solution in my opinion is not to eliminate the concept of subscriptions. The solution is to educate the customer.

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[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Makes me wanna throw out my hp printer I bearly use.
Edit: the printer was discovered broken lol

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

we need some kind of "subscribers bill of rights" both to discourage and to check the stupid business models.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

It won't make any difference. There's a gamers Bill of Rights that nobody remembers. It was produced by the owner of a company that now ignores that it ever existed.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 30 points 3 days ago (6 children)

only way i'll be happy with that is if no one owns anything. corporations, people, billionaires. Otherwise might as well burn it all down, why should care if i dont own anything.

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[–] RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee 71 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (33 children)

That's why I used Kodi, a Plex server, and modded youtube. Fuck ads and fuck subscriptions

[–] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

I chatted with my uncle recently, and he told me about a movie from 2006. I asked where to watch it, he said you can watch it free on YouTube. Stop by my parents house, we decide to watch movie. It was 1 hour and 30 minutes, Runtime. There was 3 minute ads every 10 minutes. The movie was good, but heavily dampered by ADS. To the point you would start to get invested and zone into the movie. Then BAM ADS, the only other option was to buy the movie for $4 on prime or pay for a hulu subscription.

I know subscriptions are stupid and i agree, but its just so infuriating! Pay $7.89 for streaming service which may or may not have the thing you want to watch. For it to most likely to be on streaming service B. Or you go buy the DVD assuming you can. Which now you own a movie that may be CRAP.

You just cant ethically win :/

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

IMO: Pirate it guilt-free without a second thought. If you enjoy it, and deem it worthy of a rewatch - then buy the DVD/Blu-Ray.

Then rip a quality copy of it, and delete the previously downloaded one.

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[–] rotten@lemm.ee 124 points 4 days ago (7 children)

So don't sign up. Go without.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 83 points 4 days ago

and if you're technically capable, self host and share with friends/family. fuck corporate greed

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[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 87 points 3 days ago (35 children)

Vote with your wallet. Boycott rent seeking companies that lock away their IP and charge money for access to it.

For example, FOR ADOBE TO DESERVE MY MONEY EVERY MONTH, 100% OF THEIR TECHNOLOGIES SHOULD BE OPEN SOURCE.

The only rent I happily pay for is a good VPN.

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's cool, I do not have a single subscription and will never, ever have one. If I can't buy your product, I'll sail the 7 seas

[–] brrk@lemmynsfw.com 37 points 3 days ago (4 children)

How do i pirate insurance?

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[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I’m not sure what the logical outcome of this escalating arms race of enshittification will be, but as a career Sysadmin I’ve been able to avoid a LOT of this bullshit through self hosting, which is something a (Non-tech nerd) layman isn’t going to bother with, for as long as existing products (and their subscriptions) are still within “tolerable” levels.

But the thing is, a lot of the convenience with computing devices today didn’t exist in the 90’s, when it was more common for young normies to have what would be considered above average computer technical skills today.

When the entire market turns into inescapable subscriptions, the market for a non-technical friendly appliance box, like Synology came close to doing, shows up to corner the market on hardware you can own and run your own shit on with minimal headaches and no subscriptions.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

the only things in life im happy owning is my home, my transportation and my informatics

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can someone explain the "be happy" part of the "you'll own nothing and be happy" quote? I fail to see what is there to be happy about.

[–] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It came from a speaker a few years ago at the Davos World Economic Forum. Davos is where the ultra rich gather each year to plot out how to be even more evil.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I feel like someone needs to point out that this saying is often conflated with the idea of 15 minute cities.

The idea of 15 minute cities is that people want their amenities within 15 minutes so they don’t have to drive.

It is not an idea to keep you confined and take away your ownership of things.

[–] pinkystew@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago

I'm not OP but I think it means "Providers are saying consumers should accept subscription-based models without complaint"

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