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It was confusing at first (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by Lemmyin@lemmy.world to c/lemmyworld@lemmy.world

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[+] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (8 children)

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[–] Lemmyin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Wait, what? Beehaw is defederated? I still see lots of post from Beehaw on my feed.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The mods announced it today. There’s a giant pinned thread on Beehaw about it.

I tried making posts here on my Beehaw account and I could see them while logged into Beehaw but not when logged into Lemmy.world. Some of my older posts were no longer visible outside of my Beehaw account. Also some of my posts had comments from Beehaw people vanish all at once. My older posts from the Beehaw account are still visible, so I think some posts/comments remain visible if they happened before defederation.

I’m not sure which levers the mods there are pulling because the effects do seem inconsistent, and the mods seem in a bit of a frenzy trying to figure it out themselves.

[–] WomboCombo@lemmy.nilskrau.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a post explaining the details here: https://lemmy.world/post/149743

[–] Lemmyin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok I took a minute to read some of it. It’s just confusing to me, how is Beehaw defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works for whatever reason is not like exactly like what Reddit is doing to third party apps? You want to federate with us? Sure, but you have to play by OUR rules. That’s not how it should work.

[–] WomboCombo@lemmy.nilskrau.de 5 points 1 year ago

Defederating in this situation means (to my very limited understanding). Users on lemmy.world can see posts from beehaw.org, they also can interact with the posts/comments. Those interactions just don't show up on beehaw.org, so that they don't have to moderate as much.

Reddit charging a metric ton of cash for their api is more or less if you would have to pay (the creator of lemmy) for each user if you decide to create your own instance (lemmy.world, beehaw.org and whatnot).

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, I am miffed. With such a focus on community I’d have expected a discussion thread or poll for Beehaw members before making a nuclear action, not a thread posted after it was done. It was a very sudden action. I’m not thrilled that anybody against the idea over there is being painted as some kind of problematic person. It is giving me a bad vibe.

Also, nothing in the pinned post I saw mentioned talking with the Lemmy.world mods. It seems to me that attempting communication to come to a mutually agreed standard of behavior is something to be tried as an early measure. Just because there aren’t a lot of built in technical mode tools doesn’t take away talking.

The fact that Beehaw mods unilaterally decided this, without prior input from other communities or their own members really bugs me.

I was very optimistic for Beehaw but this is a worrying use of petty mod power.

[–] QHC@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Federation is a two-way connection. Beehaw shut off the incoming stream, essentially, so anyone commenting or posting on spaces from that instance will not be seen by users logged into Beehaw. However, the outgoing stream is still active so anything posted there that you subscribe to or visit from another instance can still be seen. Users on other instances can even comment in those threads, but users on Beehaw would not see those comments.

For me it helps to think of the instance you are logged into as the place you trust the most. Content from other sources can always come in, but you can choose to simply not see things you don't want. This is a fundamental part of how the Fediverse works, for better or worse.

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[–] kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You will see posts but you won't be able to interact with any one outside of lemmy.world users. They can't keep up with the number of users and have defederated from a huge number of instances.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

My experience is that it’s more nuclear than that. On my Beehaw account I tried to post to a Lemmy.world community and it seemed to post, but when I logged into my Lemmy.world account that post wasn’t visible.

It appears a full severance.

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[–] Kayzels@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Exactly. Am no longer using my lemmy.world account. I made a kbin one first, before I realised that Jerboa didn't support it. So now I have three accounts.

[–] OneDimensionPrinter@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Boom. I just installed jerboa a few minutes ago and am replying to you with it now.

I do like how it kinda/sorta looks like how I had Boost setup before.

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[–] kresten@feddit.dk 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have a grasp of the fediverse now?

[–] Lemmyin@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

[–] kresten@feddit.dk 6 points 1 year ago

It sounds like you know enough to use the site properly :)

[–] Figaro@readit.buzz 3 points 1 year ago

Heh, yup

[–] StagYeti@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I have like three now, because it wasn't clear that that wasn't required. I think I'm getting it more now, but it's taking a bit to get there.

[–] readbeanicecream@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

It gets more confusing when the instance you joined decides to unfederate and half of your subs stop working! Then you have to join a new instance and start over because subs nor usernames carry over.

[–] name_not_needed@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I hope this place gets better with time.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reminds me of the good old days creating a different identity for each forum I signed up at.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the internet, you can literally just be anyone you want.

[–] 007v2@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the advice, Margot!

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're welcome. Now go watch Suicide Squad again.

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[–] somefool@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

I did it on Lemmy on purpose. I'm somefool on four instances, subbed to communities with different themes. Soon, I might head back to PhpBB.

[–] LA71@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So, I’ve a question. Is there a back button?
I’ll select something from my feed, but then get stuck having to then go all the way back and scroll all the way back down to where I left off.

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[–] dan96kid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As of now I have an account on lemmy.world and kbin.social

[–] Peef_Rimgar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Same. LW/kbin gang.

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[–] crippletown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no idea whats going on

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[–] Ravan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I will stick to only one account. Too much accounts are pain.

[–] michikade@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I have 2 with the idea that if my home instance went down I’d still be able to see what’s going on. Not that I’m concerned about a mass failure, more for like server maintenance downtimes.

[–] andrew@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

I made an account on feddit.de and I'm not even German (learning to be, though)

[–] 1024_Kibibytes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you have an account at one instance, you can see everything from all of the instances that are federated with that instance. If there is another instance that is not federated with the 1st instance, then you have to make an account there to see anything there

[–] EqMinMax@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But currently there is no redirect to preferred instance type of settings available which in quite uncomfortable to me.

For example, I created an account on lemmy.world instance and click an url like https://lemmy.world/c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml, it redirects to lemmy.ml instead of lemmy.world instance.

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[–] foxy@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It started to click in my head today and then once all the defederation talk started I am confused again

[–] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It basically means that beehaw can't see any of our content, and we can't see any new content from them. The one nice thing is their mods did say they might reverse it in the future once things settle down hopefully.

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[–] parallax@local106.com 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

And this is why you roll your own instance just for auth

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, you have to create an account on every instance that exists and always use that account to interact with that instance.

If you keep a central account, one day you will anger the wrong person and they will blacklist you off the entire fediverse, losing all relationships and history to overcome ostracisation.

I even consider making a new account per instance per month. Maybe the process could be automated too.

[–] Lemmyin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] EricHill78@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I have no idea what’s going on myself honestly lol. I just made a Kbin account so I can see and comment on this thread even though it’s a thread that came from lemmy it looks like considering it states (lemmy.world). I’m confused why I’m seeing this thread. Was it shared to the Kbin server? And why can’t I comment and upvote posts on lemmy.one for example? Shouldn’t I be able to due to everything being connected in the fediverse?

[–] AidsAcrossAmerica@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're not the only one. I made a kbin account. I'm not going to make more accounts. I'll just browse and lurk until this all makes sense.

Or I'll just give up and head over to the Empornium forums. There's titties over there. Is there porn on here?

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[–] oldLady80@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

i need a tutorial

[–] pascal@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

New here, does it mean my username propagated to other instances?

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[–] turn_to_follow@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I still don't get it lmao

I made an account with kbin because the interface most resembles reddit, but apparently that means I have a lemmy account or something?

[–] CMLVI@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You don't have a lemmy account, but kbin gets content from lemmy pushed to it. So you can subscribe to subs that are on Lemmy. That doesn't mean you can't sub to the kbin equivalent; in due time, both may have a memes sub. But if you prefer lemmy over the kbin, you can see and interact with that lemmy content from here on kbin. You don't need to be on Lemmy to do it, the instances are federated.

Likewise, say in the future a sports-only instance is created. It exists solely for sports headlines across all the leagues of the world. It is way better than content on kbin. If kbin federates with that group, you can see and interact with that content.

Say there is a group that doesn't meet your instances ideals. They like to be inflammatory and provocative because they can. Your instance can not federate with them, so you won't see that content when viewing the All section of your instance. Likewise, they won't be able to interact with content you post. This prevents brigading and intermingling of groups that would only argue and conflict.

You can enjoy all the content of any federated instance from whatever platform you want.

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[–] Minion3665@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

It might help to think of it like email. If you sign up with gmail, you have a gmail account. You don't necessarily have a microsoft account but people @outlook.com can still send your @gmail.com account email and you can still read it no matter where it's from

In a similar way, you have a kbin.social account. You don't have a lemmy account but you can still see posts from people in lemmy.world

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