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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

As Steve Ballmer said.... Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux ....

On a slightly more serious note though: switch to Linux, jd if you still need windows for something, run it in a VM under Linux. Just don't pay for the license because fuck Microsoft

"We let known security holes in our products, causing even the US government to be hacked, because revealing tha they existed in the first place would cost customers and hurt our bottom and only line: money. But don't worry! Our CEO just promised we will never do it again, pretty smile".

[–] lud@lemm.ee 54 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah. They have always done extended support like this.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago

Yeah I'm already switching to Linux next year, I don't need rage bait in my life.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Do we get a refund when it fails prove secure?

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

if youre dead set to keep windows, just disconnect it from the internet.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People argue that Internet should be treated as a utility because it's required so I'm not sure removing the Internet would really work.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

ive had it disconnected from my win10 machine for 4 years now. broadband is not a utility and isnt likely to ever be so the expense to bring it out here in a consistently usable form is still prohibitive. those of us in the wilds of the world have to use sattelite or nothing outside of basic cell service

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 6 days ago

Isn't that just the standard MS has had for extended security updates for long? Basically just "fuck you if you don't want to upgrade your old ass system we're gonna charge for maintaining that shit"

I mean I get it, though understand why people don't want to hop to win11 but get on Linux then bitch

[–] geography082@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Tbh sounds fair. I mean keeping systems secure is not cheap task . If we can kep using w10 without all the “free AI “ shit , is not bad . I mean they will get their income from w11 from it on users… From users data. They should add windows clean with the office subscription and a not clean option . I would not say free. We are used to think that free is better, but there are a lot of time invested in development and updates. Linux free distros are not so secure, they even do a statement you have to agree to use them. that’s why companies pay Read hat .

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

...windows 10 was free to a lot of people; it's a pretty solid OS and i'd be happy to pay a fair price for ongoing support...

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[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

alright how do I switch to linux

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago

You embrace the Gospel of Truth from Sloppily Generated Arch Jesus.

[–] MostRegularPeople@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I'm a neanderthal. I barely know how computers work. I switched to Linux mint cinnamon a couple months ago. I'm a light user, mostly using word processing, internet, Foundry VTT to run games, and some light gaming via steam. I watched some YouTube videos and read some articles and just kinda sent it. It is offensively easy. I see no reason to go back to windows.

There are some things that take getting used to, but the user interface is really similar to windows and I would argue is largely more functional.

This video and this article helped a lot.

Remember, I am dumb and I did it. You can do it.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd say start out with Linux Mint (debian edition) if you need something simple. Bazziteos if you're a gamer. Jump around as you see fit. Maybe put it on a vm to test it out or make a ventoy usb to put a bunch of isos on and test them all out.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

when you say test them out what am I looking for? I really truthfully play very simple low demand games and older games a little, I mostly use my computer for browsing/writing/work.

easy to install, free of bullshit and compatible with Firefox lol also light demand my laptop is a little guy

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

When I say gaming I mean steam, proton, Wine, epic games stuff is pretty much pre installed, if you don't need all that then linux mint should do fine

[–] Switorik@lemmy.zip 38 points 6 days ago (14 children)

This is just the beginning of a yearly subscription for Windows OS. Just wait.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

By offering extended support? Same as they've done since at least windows 95?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh right. Uh, Bill Gates personally gave me AIDS.

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[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is just the beginning of a thread of ragebait and misinformation. Windows has been doing this for yearrssssssss. Stop sensationalizing old news.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 29 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Nah, I would rather use free Linux.

[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It’s actually incredible how good Linux is, and it’s entirely free. No ads, no bullshit, just a rock solid OS. It’s staggering how small a proportion of people use it.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

It’s amazing how much better an operating system can be when it’s built by the community.

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[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago

At this point am gonna use linux.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You already paid for your OS? Too bad you're gonna pay again.

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

How much for security updates for XP?

[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I want to meet the windows XP update team in 2024 😁

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Sure they're down the hall, next to the Cobol room.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

I work with automation in manufacturing facilities on the regular. Windows CE and XP are fuckin everywhere.

[–] yannic@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

My understanding is that the cost of Extended Security Updates (ESU) goes up every year.

For one year.

They're not eligible to continue to get security updates after that (even though they'll still be doing them because businesses will).

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

LMFAO, as if they won't end up piratable.

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

OK Looks like my little MS Surface is going to be running Linux.

[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 2 points 4 days ago

I'm running Win 10 Ameliorated on mine. Manual driver installs were the only big hiccup. Works well otherwise, but it's not my daily driver.

I can't really use Linux since my work is deeply embedded in Microsoft everything; I need OneDrive to work dependably.

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[–] Rade0nfighter@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Microsoft needs to sell its software (including OS) and they’ve always done so through manufacturers.

The average user, in their mind, doesn’t care about/want/have a choice for Windows, they just went to a shop to buy a computer, Windows was just on it. So for Microsoft, a public company who’s graphs need to keep going up forever, “increasing revenue from Windows” equates to “making people buy more computers” - this, in my opinion, is why they went down the TPM route (which consumers didn’t care about), and now, the “Copilot compatible” PC (whixh users don’t care about) routes. For the shareholders, you need a new computer, not an update to your existing one.

So this is where it gets interesting - a catch 22 for Microsoft - the average user doesn’t want a new computer (the internet works fine right), but Microsoft need their graphs to go up and they don’t want to work for free… BUT they can’t afford to have “Windows” become synonymous with “viruses” again (they bothered to make Windows defender for free for this reason), so if people don’t pay up, there could be millions of virus ridden computers and everyone will look for a new laptop “but not windows again” because of the viruses…

Mac instead? Maybe, but most laptops are sold for €300, not €1000+…

Current known, “safe consumer choice” brands (OEMs) and big box retailers are and will continue to be influenced/controlled/blackmailed by Microsoft’s license pricing and legal teams to maintain the status quo on the shelves and we’ll see what plays out.

This subscription talk then is big news, not just because of the controversy surround subscriptions generally, but because this could change the shape of supply and demand in the PC market significantly.

As always there won’t be one answer for everyone, but these are some ways it could play out.

  • Microsoft forgets the idea
  • Microsoft offers a free version supported by ads
  • Consumers pay up, even if it takes a generation
  • Consumers move to Apple
  • Major PC manufacturers and retailers spite Microsoft terms, and offer alternative OS’s
  • Smaller/new PC manufacturers rise, and offer alternative OS’s

Will people pay up? Will Chromebooks take over?

Or…

(Removes sunglasses)

…will 2025 be the year of the Linux desktop?

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[–] ZeDoTelhado@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So.. Torrenting security patches will be a thing? That would be a bizarre usage of torrents I have to say

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