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https://youtu.be/uAKMolRKphE?si=T7SS0saI_GFQtdrj
Derek Guy breaks it down some in this podcast. But it was a shift in the house of commons in England as it was working Man's clothing and was a way to signal you were with the people and not aristocracy.
Boy did that work out.
Broadly, and without evidence:
Women in formal situations were decoration, another piece of fashion attached to a man.
Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Male_Renunciation
I think this answer is on the right track but not the complete story. why don't men in the culture also use their own fashion to demonstrate their opulence? we have to look at not only why women but also why not men
Men definitely use fashion to demonstrate opulence. The range of available styles is far more limited than what women get, but there’s still plenty of variation in that range to send social signals of one’s wealth. In fact it creates a more apples-to-apples point of comparison. I can’t personally look at two dresses and know which one costs more, but I can easily spot the expensive suit.
And don’t forget that sometimes casual clothing can be used as a status symbol too. In a conference room full of Armani suits, it’s not unheard of for the 26 year old at the head of the table wearing a hoodie and chucks to be the one calling the shots.
So as not to distract from the pretty things.
Beau Brummel's influence is the reason, though he would have detested the uniformity of it all.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beau_Brummell
A good Behind the Bastards on him: https://open.spotify.com/episode/00n2CANk00e5P2L0H348h1?si=1VhgCCRnQQueiPBFSfjJLg
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possibly the only non bastard to make it onto a non-Christmas episode
Did they even agree he was a bastard? I vaguely remember this episode. I recall it being pretty tame.
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possibly the only non bastard to make it onto a non-Christmas episode
Kind of. A bastard in the sense that he was a major influence to modern men's fashion and fast fashion as a whole, but otherwise he was really a victim of the system that sought a way out and unwittingly contributed to the very same system, not to mention that he was kind of a jerk.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/27122034 Just learned about this today here on Lemmy
Yeah I posted my question a few hours before that was posted, very cool!
where the only acceptable style is jacket with pants?
Well, there's the Scottish, who can do a gussied-up kilt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_dress
Formal evening wear (white tie)
The traditional white-tie version of Highland dress consists of:
Men:
Formal kilt doublet in barathea or velvet. The regulation, Montrose, Sheriffmuir and Kenmore doublets are suitable in a variety of colours. Velvet is considered to be a more formal material. The Prince Charlie jacket (coatee) is considered to be less formal,[by whom?] although when introduced it was to be worn with a white lace jabot. Tartan jackets are also seen.
Waistcoat in white marcella, tartan (usually to match the kilt), red or the same material as the doublet. No waistcoat is worn with the Kenmore or Montrose doublets.
Kilt with formal kilt pin
White stiff-front shirt with wing collar and white, gold, or silver studs and cufflinks for the Regulation doublet, or a white formal shirt and optional lace cuffs for the Montrose, Sheriffmuir, and Kenmore doublets
White lace jabot. A black silk or a white marcella bow tie may be worn in place of the jabot with the regulation doublet (Highland wear often includes a black bow tie even at white-tie events).
Black formal shoes or black buckle brogues
Tartan or diced kilt hose
Silk garter flashes or garter ties
Silver-mounted sporran in fur, sealskin or hair with a silver chain belt
Black, silver-mounted and jeweled sgian-dubh
Highland bonnet (Balmoral or Glengarry) with crest badge (only worn outdoors)
Short belted plaid with silver plaid brooch (optional)
Scottish dirk (optional)
Many people blame Beau Brummel
https://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/a26870204/beau-brummell-style-toxic-masculinity/
Ah aristocratic English man. What haven't you made terrible
Fun fact:Charles II of England is considered to be the inventor of the three-pieces suit. At the time, French King Louis XIV ordered his footmen to adopt the vest as a way to debase the new English style.
I blame the gay panic of the 18th and 19th centuries.
