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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 51 points 1 month ago (12 children)

She had so many chances to make this election easier. Could have had a Palestinian talk during the DNC, and that would have likely changed this story.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (29 children)

Angry with the Biden administration – and, by extension, Kamala Harris – for its support for Israel, Arab Americans may be willing to overlook Trump’s history of closeness with Israel’s hard-right leaders.

So, these individuals could be described as the common clay of the new West?

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago (5 children)

yeah man, denigrate them more, that'll surely get them on your side! maybe a touch more smug condescension? anything except engaging with their concerns, of course.

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (45 children)

Okay, but, abandon her for whom exactly? Just not vote? Vote 3rd party? I am not going to say Harris is perfect, but this is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (23 children)

Third Party, tyically, that's what most anti-genocide groups are advocating for.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (86 children)

Oh they're really gonna love how Trump handles Arabs

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's like the trolley problem, except instead of the other track having fewer people, it has more, and it just loops back around to run over the people on the first track anyway. We should have sent the trolley on a completely different route decades ago.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Because Trump who literally said Muslims should wear a "Special ID at all times" back in 2015 is obviously gonna be much better....

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Read the article. Maybe half or more are voting third party, they hate trump and kamala.

The other, from one of the interviews, the last four years of Democrat led politics has literally been the worst in their lives for both themselves living in america, and for their friends and families who live in the middle east.

Assuming a democrat leader is best for everyone is part of the problem. There are groups of people who suffer under Democrat leadership, and ignoring them is just frustrating them.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Who could have possibly seen this coming for a full year

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 11 points 1 month ago

Honestly it's baffling. They wouldn't have even had to actually do anything. They could have just let a Palestinian-American come up and say generic "we have to do better for the people of Gaza and the people of the world" type of shit and they would have even said that they endorsed Kamala. That's it, and a shitload of people would have been at least able to lie to themselves and say "ok, she'll do something different." But they couldn't even be asked to go through the motions this time.

It's such fucking smooth brained reactionary shit, you don't get to act like Republicans because Republicans will never vote for you, the ones that will are only ever going to do it to not vote for the current fascist, and their policy led to him.

I guess maybe the taste of David Frum's approval is sweeter than winning an election.

[–] donescobar@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This group is the single greatest gift to the 2024 trump presidency and he doesn’t know it yet!

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Cant blame them, Biden\Harris are literally sending Israel the bombs.

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[–] graeghos_714@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Both parties are beholden to Israel and the power of AIPAC

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Other way around. Both parties support Israel because Israel helps secure the Petro-Dollar, by which the US dominates the Global South with predatory IMF loans.

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[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (18 children)

Context:

  • I am not an american, so there may be some missing knowledge for me about the american electoral system.
  • I abhor Israel's genocide in Gaza, and I abhor the biden administration's support of (and Harris' seeming continued support of) the genocide.
  • My understanding is that Trump is just as, if not more supportive of the genocide in Gaza, and on top of this has his sights on doing some truly terrible things in the US re: minorities, trans rights, etc

So with that context, my question is thus: It seems clear that Trump wouldn't change anything about the genocide in Gaza, and that he would bring more evil than the current status quo. So if you're an american voter, you obviously can't let Trump get in. But, Harris is gross to vote for as well, even if its a "lesser of the two evils" thing. What do you do? As far as I understand its basically one or the other, you dont really have any third party to vote for right?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (11 children)

It's more of a difference in practical values. At what point does the "lesser evil" itself become intolerable evil? Some people insist that you should vote for Hitler over 101% Hitler, that there is no intolerable level as long as there is a miniscule difference. Others have firm red lines in the sand, like genocide, where they advocate for abandoning them and pushing as hard as you can, even advocating for moves outside the electoral system like revolution.

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[–] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Great so now we can have a more certain Trump presidency. Why limit yourself to just one genocide when you can have this guy in power here too:

“How about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers, many of them murdered far more than one person, and they’re now happily living in the United States. You know now a murder, I believe this, it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now,”

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