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"It's not like the government is forcing you to buy a car!"

If you live in a city with parking minimums, yes they fucking are.

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[–] Username@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You're not wrong in the long term. But in the short term, people will park anywhere possible close to the shop, blocking everywhere near with cars.

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

complete bullshit, but even IF drivers were so fucking brain dead, irresponsible, and incapable of being civil, the solution is not to cede to their entirely unreasonable demand that they be allowed to go to some of the most densest places on earth with a fucking couch 2 arm chairs, big chest for all their loot and a whole ass climate control system, if they cant behave they simply shouldn't have licenses.

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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Those lots are horribly inefficient, aisle-less parking would make more sense for businesses of that size

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

They may be horribly ineffecient but that seems to be the standard design. Plus compared to pretty much any other land use, even the most optimized surface level parking lot is an ineffecient use of land.

[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I hate car dependence too but when I see things like this I wonder what your solution is for people like me who can't really walk much.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Having big parking lots for people to walk across has the same problem. If you can't walk far it's better to have density so you don't have to walk as far.

[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Handicap parking spots already solve that problem though

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Not everyone who can't really walk much qualify for handicapped status. The majority don't. The elderly as just one example.

Additionally, on-street parking gets you even closer to where you want to go. In fact, if more people who can walk did walk, it would make it even easier for people who can't who won't have as much competition for good parking spots.

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I don't see any comment asking to remove all cars from the roads. Only that viable alternatives to driving be made possible by sensible zoning instead of building everything solely to cater to cars.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

What would your solution for a blind peron be in this car dependant world? Having multiple transportation options is the most fair system. Right now in many places the car is the only option.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago

Would accessibility be a solution here? I am speaking about public transport that has dedicated spaces for wheelchairs, has ramps to get on and off etc., as well as sidewalks that are accesibil by wheelchairs, with a smith surface and ramps to get on and off to. Maybe combine that with lifts to access pedestrian subways and overbrides.

Possibly it could also mean the ability to rent, best case for free and at a place reachable by public transport with very little or no walking, a wheelchair or a simiiular solution that let's one drive rather then walk.

I'm just thinking loud, but maybe such solutions should be considered in every walkable city.

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