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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All this shit needs to be legislated to be opt-in.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And then they'll just do like everyone else does, nag screens every five minutes with no "No, and don't ask me again" option, you can only say "Not now" and then it'll ask again in five minutes. Or you can have the car, but you can only use the speedometer if you agree to them monitoring your speed and you can only have headlights and windshield wipers if you agree to them recording everything you do, etc.

[–] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Sounds like a vehicle I wouldn't buy. That's the ultimate control - the consumer demands privacy and buys the vehicle that provides it

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

good luck not owning a vehicle after literally all of them become enshittified garbage.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah... Doesn't really work like that in reality. Look at TVs.

[–] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mine isn't hooked to the Internet. Works for me.

[–] white_nrdy@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

This is the way. I just moved and got a new TV. It has never been connected to the internet and never will. My Shield TV pro handles that

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No car for you then, since all of them do it. Can't go to work? Too bad.

Just remember, voting with your wallet works. /s

[–] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wirecutters do wonders for privacy.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As long as it's not literally digitally run on one wire, and if you cut it, you have no infotainment system. Or, in some cases, no way to start your car.

Or it's not a rental. Or your friend's car. Or a taxi.

This needs to be regulated away.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Exactly. We're just describing various failures to effectively govern.

[–] lemmefixdat4u@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I snipped the antenna lead from the cellular modem on my Hyundai. No more built-in road assistance, remote start, or emergency unlocking, but I then never signed up to pay for those features. The car can't phone home anymore. I connect my phone to the infotainment system to allow navigation, and the phone has an Internet DNS filter that prevents connections to Hyundai's servers.

That will have to suffice until we get full digital privacy rights.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That needs to be shut down, too.

Like those stupid cookie notices. If sites would just stop doing tracking, the notices aren’t even needed.

[–] undefined@links.hackliberty.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yep, as a web developer sometimes I get panicky about new legislation until I remember that I don’t even serve CSS or JavaScript from third-party domains. I don’t track users by IP address or anything. Fuck that

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And I’m sure your websites are (even more) awesome without that garbage.

[–] undefined@links.hackliberty.org 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I really try, but I’m starting to feel like a zombie all the time!

One thing I try to do is not go so hard on JavaScript. I don’t like when websites do that and have problems due to that, especially when it comes to forms (though I do have an awesome example with being able to paste a long string of text into a text field and having JavaScript split it into the following fields, but only if it’s in the correct format).

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

JavaScript is fine as long as it degrades gracefully when disabled by the user.

That feature sounds very useful.

[–] undefined@links.hackliberty.org 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it’s a long story but while working somewhere they used a terrible SaaS for their day-to-day operations and I eventually built my own that they still use (I don’t work there anymore).

The long string would be a bunch of specifications sent via email by clients (it’s an email-heavy industry) and I got tired of copying and pasting each part line by line (it was also hard because they weren’t sent as separate lines, but used a character as a separator) so I built it for myself.

I guess that’s the magic of eating your dog food.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Kia and Hyundai, which have the same parent company, collect voice recognition data from inside their cars and sell this to the artificial intelligence (AI) software training company Credence, the Choice investigation found.

"We think that the average Hyundai driver, the average Kia driver, when they purchase their car, have no idea that this is happening," Mr Blakkarly said.

"They haven't really properly consented to their voice being used to train AI models."

Interesting. If this is being done without disclosure and without even the opportunity for the driver to give consent (or not), it seems like it's inviting a lawsuit, and it might violate recording consent laws in some states.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I know a certain bank that is doing the same thing. If you call customer service they are using Chatgpt to listen to the entire call and recently started capturing voice data to allow AI verify they are talking to the customer. Creepy as fuck and no customer aren't told this is happening.

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I've seen this advertised as a fraud detection and prevention service, even before ChatGPT. I'm assuming there's a standard disclosure that the call may be recorded for training purposes, it's only recently that "training" has included "training AI".

[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Training then: Making all the new hires sit down and listen to a recording of you get increasingly frustrated with their dumbass coworker.

Training now: Burning through a neighborhood's worth of power for data processing to ensure that the phone tree understands you with absolute certainty when you say "speak to a representative", yet continues to ignore you anyway.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

"You have selected an invalid option. Goodbye." Click

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah but still should be illegal. I mean this AI is listening and gathering information about the customer while discussing private banking matters.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

100%

And how long (as if it isn't already) before the same systems transition to healthcare? AI wants to know all the salacious details, baby.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

It really depends on how it's being stored and used, like the other commenter mentioned, it's standard practice in banking/Brokerage industry to record all calls for training/litigation/coaching.

[–] Pandemanium@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

It doesn't prevent any fraud when anyone on the Internet can now easily recreate anyone's voice using AI. Banks should know better.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

It's in the seventeen page purchase contract that they know nobody reads

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago

Brand

Tesla

Information in privacy policy

Collects voice and video and shares some data with third parties

third parties including whoever video clips get sent to when the staff use them as funny videos and memes...

[–] randomperson@lemmy.today 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm surprised there aren't more brands listed

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 month ago

They only looked at 10.

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 9 points 1 month ago

Tesla workers have been caught sharing among themselves highly invasive camera recordings of Tesla customers in the nude,

Thanks, but no thanks.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago

Is there a community for guides on how to rip out the radios?