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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 140 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Lmao

Packs boxes at Amazon; believes he is skilled labor and fast food workers aren't.

Buddy, you're closer to being replaced by a machine than the burger flipper.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Them believing that they are skilled labor tells you all about the value of their opinion.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 29 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Flipping burgers and packing boxes are both skilled labour. There's no such thing as unskilled labour.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

One can imagine just walking in blind and getting an order to do X of something right now without any guidance.

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 months ago

Aircraft engineers and mechanics used to be considered unskilled labor until the 1950s. They were only "reclassified" during the Cold War because there weren't enough people going into the profession to keep up with the demand.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago (4 children)

lol packing boxes at Amazon being skilled labor in comparison to the burger dudes. Like, my dude, you're about half a step above the dude putting a burger together then packing a bag with it, and I'm being generous.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You need a permit to handle food.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Was literally going to say... there's more regulations/certifications in food prep, both for the business itself and the workers, than a lot of other jobs.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 months ago

Packing a box seems easier than operating the machines at mcdos. Timing the operation, consistency, time pressure, angry clients, ...

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

And like. We've all ordered from amazon. We know how they pack boxes. There's no skill involved there.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

That right there is why I'm hoping the xeet was sarcasm tbh.

[–] caboose2006@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think we're all missing the point here, and this is how they divide us. (By they I mean monied interests). Back in the 60s you could get a job air hammering in the same 8 bolts all day that would provide you a house, car, and your spouse doesn't work and you have 2 kids and go on vacation twice a year and the company takes care of your retirement. Both of these jobs (in ops post) require the same or more skill to do and you can't even afford to rent a studio apartment on your own. We need to stop looking at other "unskilled" labor and saying "they better not make a much as me" and start asking "hold on, why can't we both make more?" Rising tides lift all ships. The only people that suffer are the multi millionaires.

This isnt radical. If you work full time you should be able to afford what your parents and grandparents had in the 60s working full time.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Honest labor is honest labor, whatever it's moping the floor or engineering new bridges and rockets. We need each other. And we all want to have a sufficient amount of these funny play-money papers once we clock out for today, or, rather, not feeling limited by the lack of them up to the point of starvation.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's getting to the point that just renting an illegal basement "apartment" requires 2 incomes in some places... I make $30/hr and almost half my income goes to this shit garage apartment I live in... Forget "legitimate" apartments, those prices are just absolute insanity.

Without looking at "professional" college degree required jobs, the VAST majority of jobs out there pay barely over $20/hr where I am... Where are you going to live on that kind of garbage?

I cannot stand the focus on "family income." It completely ignores the experience of the individual and lumps multiple incomes together to try to claim that people are doing well... Yeah well fuck me for being undesirable and permanently single.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I want Amazon fulfillment center workers to be paid a living wage, but calling some of those jobs “skilled” is stretch.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The phrase has lost all meaning. People just assume its a personal attack now cause I guess American egos are in decline or something.

Waxing moon or some shit.

[–] Zanz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fry Cooks have to take classes on food safety. They are skilled labor. I'm not sure about the Amazon box guy but maybe both should have the trade union you need to be "skilled labor" in the actual sense of it.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Crab ass mentality. You should be asking why you get paid so little not keeping everyone else down

And the fast food shit is probably about as skilled as packing Amazon boxes the fuck you on about

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Bro, I went to college and got a degree in packinology. Not everyone is qualified to use scotch tape and bubble wrap. You know how many people die every year choking on packing peanuts?

A brain sturgeon ain’t got shit on me.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 48 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Working at McDonald's fucking sucks. They deserve far more in hazard pay.

[–] NavySqueal@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Those bathrooms are proof those employees don't receive the hazard pay they should to clean those things. Mcdonalds.

[–] ApexHunter@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I hate to break it to that guy but packing boxes isn't skilled labor either.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 2 months ago (7 children)

All labour is skilled labour. If you have to be trained how to do something it’s a skill.

You think packing boxes is just putting things in boxes but I’m sure there is more to it, particularly when working for dystopian Amazon where they’re very strict with KPIs.

People called it unskilled labour as a means to pay people less.

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Given the size of the boxes my Amazon stuff comes in you'd have to be extremely challenged not to be able to get that stuff in there. They're not exactly solving the Knapsack Packing Problem multiple times a day.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

My understanding is some algorithm decides what size box to use for an order, the packer packs that box.

The skill comes from the repetition of doing the task to become efficient enough not to be taken out back and put down by Bezos.

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[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If anything, I'd claim that burger flipping requires more skill than item boxing.

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[–] Entropywins@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

My guy if you can learn the job first day off the street it is unskilled labor

[–] Evolith@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Stephen King taught me that cracking eggs is skilled labor for homeless alcoholic vampire-slaying priests

[–] DillyDaily@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Which is why the very idea of "unskilled labour" is ableist.

I had to work with an occupational therapist for 2 weeks to learn how to wash my dishes at home without having injuries or breaking my dishes. I could not have walked into a job as a fry cook just because it's entry level and "unskilled". I'd need to learn some skills first.

There's no such thing as unskilled labour for me personally, because any labour requires skill when your body or mind is disabled.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

TIL putting stuff in boxes is skilled labor but flipping burgers isn't.

/Eyeroll

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If this troll were any more obvious he'd be hiding under bridges eating children.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, the "skilled labor" is when the script slipped.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All Labor is skilled Labor.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No. "Skilled labour" means that you're hiring someone because of a skill or training they already have.

A carpenter is skilled labour because you expect a carpenter to already be able to work with wood. Your not going to train them from scratch on the job. They'll already have served as an apprentice or been trained in some other way.

A fork lift driver would need to have a license before you hired them. Skilled labour.

Somebody packing boxes or flipping burger is "unskilled labour". On day 1 you'll be taught the job. There will be no prerequisite skills needed. It doesn't mean "there's no skill in this job", just that "there is no requirement to have a skill to apply this job".

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Yes putting shit in a box truly requires specialized skills you dumbass twat waffle.

Learn to fucking stand with your follow workers.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

I sit at a desk at home, send emails, and make calls and get paid comparatively handsomely - these people have to stand over searing hot griddles, deep friers, and industrial equipment, risking serious injury at any moment for (close to) minimum wage. Doesn't seem right to me.

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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The difference in pay is easier to understand if we keep the time increments the same:

Dude: $16/hr

Bezos: $9,000,000/hr

Bezos makes 562,500 times as much.

Edit: added a missing zero

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[–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Stratification Economics- that's the term for it. It's such a bizarre and fucked up thing that humans would rather make sure their relative status is better to another group rather than objectively imroved overall.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

"Why aren't the rich people being allowed to hurt other workers more than me? What do you mean those other workers are standing up for themselves? I am very mad about this!"

[–] gearheart@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

I've said it before .. and I'll say it again.

I rather a dude handling my food get paid better than someone touching cardboard.

No balls on my food is preferred over no balls on my Amazon packages.

But really fudge all that. Eat the rich!

[–] Marleyinoc@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Either way it's Labor and the profit should be shared with the person doing the work. Sure it took Capital and risk to set the whole thing up, there's costs involved with running the warehouse, etc. So I'd course it's not split. But the dildo at the top shouldn't be taking the Lion's share.

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[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

am I the only one who understood this as the dude claiming the burguers flippers being the skilled labour, as in, trying to show solidarity?

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I took it as the total reverse.

That he "doing skilled labor" packing boxes at Amazon is above somebody "flipping burgers" at McDonald's.

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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Real question: is box packing at an Amazon fulfillment center considered "skilled" labor? If so, so is flipping burgers, I would assume. In which case, what exactly is unskilled labor? I thought it was basically any job you can get/do without any degrees, formal prior training, and/or certifications.

As far as I can tell, this is two eminently replaceable, definitionally unskilled laborers hating each other over who is getting fucked over harder.

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