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Plenty of meat bags walking around now without a fully functioning brain. Can we use those?
Good lord, just let people DIE. Imagine what a rotten place this would be if people with outdated mindsets continued to control the world decades or even centuries after their expiration dates. People were already angry about 80 year old presidential candidates... what happens when they're 120, or 150?
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Just like in the classic movie Bicentennial Man
I’d rather not enact the highest stakes ship of Theseus
You don’t want to save your old brain chunks and put them back together to see if you can make on old version of you?
Probably the best description I've seen of this lmao
they tried that a few years back via a quadraplegics brain transplant to a normal body. he died on the table. not likely to change that with cloning
I've just looked it up and there has never been a full brain transplant, so I don't know what you're on about.
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There's a trick most of the population can do to "youth up". Rewind decades of biological age for your entire body. The answer is out there. Start with the jungle people that even in old age have hearts like 20yr olds.
Cardio
No thanks. We don't need rich people living forever.
Might be the only way to get them to give a shit about the environment.
I doubt it. They will just dump shit further away. If their solution default is to make things "somebody else's problem" there's no reason to believe they will stop thinking that way.
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Something something Doctor Who Cybermen.
As long as it's made mandatory to cover with insurance so it's available to everyone. The last thing we need is an immortal ruling class.
Let the death of Saburo Arasaka be a lesson to us all: even 150+ year old bastards can get choked the fuck out
Don't worry, going by past history this will be available to any and....uhh, [checks notes] oh, uh-oh.
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If you want a bit of a deeper dive, Sean Carroll's Mindscape gets into the science of aging and known workable remedies/treatments.
The good news is that Billionaires will not be living forever any time soon.
The bad news is that we've got a cellularly defined terminal limit and there's nothing we can do to simply reset the clock. "Cloned Bodies" for animals are dysfunctional bordering on nightmarish. The human brain's plasticity isn't something you can renew with a pill or a potion. Blood Boys don't work. There aren't trivially replaceable components in the human body.
Its wild this research is even being attempted, its borderline unethical to experiment on otherwise healthy people.
I fully don't expect immune system driven aging to be understood until the Thymus better understood. DNA reproduction and telomere related aging will not be addressable until cell to cell signaling is finally mapped, and methylation activation/deactivation can be targeted.
Most likely some kind of cloned brain tissue can help reduce age-related cognitive decline and some diseases. Imo we'd get far more out of targeting specific diseases than going after aging.
"Cloned Bodies" for animals are dysfunctional bordering on nightmarish.
That's nothing to do with the back that clone is impossible and just that cloning is hard. You are acting as if it is an unsolvable problem.
clone is impossible
It's possible in the sense that you can get near identical genetic replicas of the parent organism.
But the side effect of this process is in line with historical experiments of inbreeding. Most notably, you get a high instance of progeria, which is the opposite of what you want when aiming for life extension.
You are acting as if it is an unsolvable problem.
It is an unsolved problem. Whether it is solveable (either theoretically or practically) is an unanswered question.
But there's a real possibility that "anti-aging" is, at its heart, a war against entropy that we can't win.
The best we can do may be to archive the information of a subject and pass it on to an inheritor. And we've already got a good handle on that, by way of schools and libraries and making babies.
Or maybe not. Maybe there's a trick to indefinite cellular repair and replacement. It's just not anywhere on the horizon. If it exists, the closest we've come so far is hypothesis. Nothing we've tried has successfully undone aging, even at a single cell level.
But there's a real possibility that "anti-aging" is, at its heart, a war against entropy that we can't win.
You're going to need to provide some citation on that one because I see no evidence that this is a fundamentally unsolvable problem. It's not a mathematics issue, it's a scientific one. As far as I can tell there's no biological reason that organisms need to age and die, (see lobsters) so it isn't a war against entropy because entropy isn't biological aging. They have nothing to do with each other.
All of the above you would know if you weren't intent on being a disingenuous twit.
You’re going to need to provide some citation on that one
I linked to the podcast which has citations to the research in the show notes.
All of the above you would know if you weren’t intent on being a disingenuous twit.
Take it up with the Second Law of Thermodynamics and Decay Theory of Immediate Memory. You're trying to turn a human into a Ship of Theseus, but at best all you're doing is imperfectly copying and replicating the information therein. We run into the same problems with computer memory, and the only real working solution is to make multiple perfect copies at discrete intervals as backup.
That's simply not possible at the cellular level at this time. Nor would backup/restore of cellular data be a practical solution, particularly as it regards the human brain, any time in the foreseeable future.
You're doomed to die, just like everything else that's existed to date.
That's not how the laws of the thermodynamics works. Biological immortality is perfectly possible and we see it all the time in nature please look it up.
Biological immortality is perfectly possible
Cellular decay is a consequence of entropy. The solution to decay is replication. But replication is imperfect because of errors in the process. You're still dealing with decay, only this time it is in information.
we see it all the time in nature
Point to the immortal organism.
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Millennials and Gen Z: *bond over their death wish Scientists: *ETERNAL LIFE
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Brain updates? Now with integrated thought-crime prevention using AI-safety training data.
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President Joe Biden created ARPA-H in 2022, as an agency within the Department of Health and Human Services, to pursue what he called “bold, urgent innovation”
I did not see Biden creating a cloning and immortality medical research arm of the government but I guess it's proof he already knew he was getting old before the debate and no wonder Trump wants back in the white house.
This is the correct way IMO. "Uploading" your mind to a computer is making a clone/copy, but the original dies the same.
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