Actual Discussion
Are you tired of going into controversial threads and having people not discuss things, circlejerking, or using emotional responses in place of logic? Us too.
Welcome to Actual Discussion!
DO:
- Be civil. This doesn't mean you shouldn't challenge people, just don't be a dick.
- Upvote interesting or well-articulated points, even if you may not agree.
- Be prepared to back up any claims you make with an unbiased source.
- Be willing to be wrong and append your initial post to show a changed view.
- Admit when you are incorrect or spoke poorly. Upvote when you see others correct themselves or change their mind.
- Feel free to be a "Devil's Advocate". You do not have to believe either side of an issue in order to generate solid points.
- Discuss hot-button issues.
- Add humour, and be creative! Dry writing isn't super fun to read or discuss.
DO NOT:
- Call people names or label people. We fight ideas, not people here.
- Ask for sources, and then not respond to the person providing them.
- Mindlessly downvote people you disagree with. We only downvote people that do not add to the discussion.
- Be a bot, spam, or engage in self-promotion.
- Duplicate posts from within the last month unless new information is surfaced on the topic.
- Strawman.
- Expect that personal experience or morals are a substitute for proof.
- Exaggerate. Not everything is a genocide, and not everyone slightly to the right of you is a Nazi.
- Copy an entire article in your post body. It's just messy. Link to it and maybe summarize if needed.
For more casual conversation instead of competitive ranked conversation, try: !casualconversation@lemm.ee
Is Lemmy even a good platform for discussion to begin with?
I also am going to have to say no to this question. Reddit style forum threads don't do a good job of promoting legitimate discussion in general. The simple like/dislike voting system encourages users to vote emotionally and your community-specific rules for voting aren't going to do very much to change user behavior in that regard. As you've already found out, that is going to make having a discussion about any topic that's controversial or requires an amount of nuance or flexibility of thought to approach nearly impossible. However, these are the topics that tend to have the most value as a discussion and not being able to adequately have them is a disservice to the community.
Maybe this gripe is also specific to me, but I would guess it's not. I exclusively use Lemmy on a mobile device. This makes crafting a lengthy, well formatted, and coherant response quite a bit more difficult than if I were to use a non-mobile device. Constantly fighting autocorrect, needing to break a train of thought to scroll up and down to see what point I'm responding to, and managing links and sources by swapping apps don't make for an enjoyable experience.
Do you ever feel that Lemmy is a more aggressive form of social media and therefore limit your discussion? Does the activist nature of Lemmy help or hurt further adoption?
The population of the platform is relatively small, with 50,000 monthly active users compared to Reddit's 250,000,000 million (I'm pulling these number roughly and from memory based on a recent thread) it's a fraction of a percentage the size of a platform that also would struggle with this style of a community. This at its core is going to limit the number of possible discussion participants who are passionate and knowledgeable enough to reply to only a very few and that's if they even manage to see the thread because anyone who doesn't actively check or subscribe to the community is only going to see the post in the algorithms within about three hours after its posted. This is a low volume community in terms of votes and engagement so it will get buried by memes very quickly. Maybe consider posting the weekly during a higher volume time for users like on the weekends to help a little.
The population around here is both diverse and homogenous at the same time. There is a large enough amount of cultural diversity, but the type of user who is actively on a platform like this tends to be of a similar personality. I would argue that tech and privacy focused users actually don't make great candidates for academic discussions. I know this is a strong generalization, but these people tend to be, and excuse the idioms, the "I'm the king of my castle" or "My way or the highway" type of people. Because of this, in conjunction with the voting system, almost every thread ultimately feels more like a loud argument in a bar rather than a conversation. Everyone just wants to say their piece to be heard and then move on.
The occasions that I type half of an entire thoughtful response about a topic that I'm knowledgable about only to delete it halfway through are numerous. In fact, I did that for this specific post yesterday 15 minutes after you posted this topic. Commenting on a new topic is always a huge gamble because it feels like a shocking amount of users on the platform are only here because they're having a bad day and want to be a jerk to someone and argue for the sake of arguing.
Edit: I guess this turned into a bit more of a rant than I had intended rather than constructive feedback. I guess some of my own platform frustrations are mirrored with yours.
Thank you for the reply. The majority of my thoughts were very much in line with what you said and it's sort of what I feared.
I'm not sure how to continue with things as they are as it feels like trying to start a dialogue with a wall at times. I hadn't considered mobile platforms as part of the issue, but you are most likely correct.
Not to say it's not possible to successfully run the type of community you're seeking, but fostering it is going to feel like an uphill battle for a very long time.
Beehaw has tried to promote a similar moderation heavy and discussion based platform and also ran into issues with Lemmy as a whole. Last I knew they were creating their own platform rather than staying, but that was because of ideological differences with the developers and lack of moderation tools.