99
top 26 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 16 points 1 day ago

The education system collapsed with the death of the USSR so even before the War in Ukraine started they didn't have enough Engineers and Technicians to make their country work. Their population has been declining for decades and COVID killed another Million. Then ~700,000 people, mostly men, fled the country when the War started. Then another ~500,000, again mostly men, fled the country when the first conscription was announced. Those 1.2 Million people, mostly men, were likely the ones with the education or trade skills that Russia could really use right now.

If that wasn't enough Russia has suffered over 600,000 casualties in Ukraine and is now seeking to replace losses with a 3rd round of conscription, so there goes another 130,000 people out of the labor pool.

Russia is now eating its demographic and economic seed corn trying to support a war that has no possibility of a positive outcome. The death spiral is locked in and I'm predicting a collapse of the Russian state no later than 2035.

[-] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

At some point they will have to be very open towards migrants, although they currently have a reputation of sending them to the front so they’ll definitely need to figure out how to actually retain them.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 38 points 1 day ago

When a BBC correspondent phoned a company to clarify the details about the length of a shift, the recruiter refused to provide the information, but immediately offered to hire the reporter.

LOL

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 10 points 1 day ago

Something tells me there is no overtime.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 1 day ago

I bet there is a national security law to comoel you to work once they got their hands on you

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

Hard to say no to the men with guns.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 day ago
[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago

Oh never heard if it before. Makes me think what the differences between the black plague and the 1886 situation. Both cases suffered from manpower issues.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

The Tatarstan Republic reportedly implemented a program in spring 2024 to employ minors aged 14-18 in the defense industry. 

A draft amendment to the legislation on alternative service submitted to Russia's State Duma in June 2024 proposed letting new conscripts choose defense industry work as an alternate to military service.

Only a matter of time before those 14yo get called up to the front lines; more meat for the grinder, all in service to Putin’s delusions of grandeur.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

If I were a 14 year old there I'd be jumping at those positions - not for the pay but because it is my best bet to be in a job where my boss can and will protect me from being called up for war (meat assault). If you work for a generic "insurance agency" they won't have options to protect someone from getting called up, but by producing war equipment I'm now valuable enough to the military that they might leave me alone. Fortunately I don't live in Russia and so don't have to consider the above.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago

Ideally, yes - but if you’re a conscript you really don’t have an option of where you are going to get assigned to. If your commander deems you necessary for the front lines - that’s where you’ll go.

The factory manager isn’t going to protect you like some modern-day Schindler, they’ll likely pocket a bribe for turning you over. This is just how things are done in current-day Russia.

[-] DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Ukraine has been going after these factories with drones and sabotage. Factory manager can't protect workers from that.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 6 points 1 day ago

They are going to have to do forced marriages with multiple wives to bring up the numbers again or start acrively punishing women with no children. Though I wouldn't be surprised if angry mothers start storming the putins palace before that happens.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

As a guy this isn't so bad. Already Russia has a culture that protects male abusers of their wives more than most western countries do. So I can be a bit of a dead beat husband, leaving my wives to support the kids except when I want to play with my kids or sleep with that wife again. I prefer western cultures where things are different. However I can see the advantages of sexism being to my benefit.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago

I mean it puts a target on your back from your kids. I'm waiting with glee for my father to pass.

[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Russia faces a shortage of engineers, turners, and CNC machine operators. The Russian job portal Avito in September received 2,000 resumes for turners, in comparison to 60,000 position openings. For CNC operators, there were only 600 resumes for 18,600 vacancies, despite the alluring salaries.

Those are some awful numbers. You know a large percentage of those few resumes are going to be junk applicants. But with those huge disparity rates, they are probably going to get hired anyway and the businesses are just going to attempt to do their best to get the junk applicants to be somewhat useful.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 10 points 1 day ago

Assuming they have senior people they could train new applicants. But its Never good when you offer three to four times higher than the average regional salary and they literally tried to hire the reporter. Seems like they are going taking anyone off streets next. The good boomer "I just walked I'm with a firm handshake" will work here.

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

For CNC machine operators you can probably find simple repetitive jobs you can train someone on in a day and then every week show them one more new trick until after several years they are useful for simple non-repetitive tasks and a few years later they are useful. I'm not sure what turner is, but if it is lathe operator you can train someone in a couple days to be minimally useful - on the types of things you should use CNC for, but it will be a year or two before they can do the complex things you wouldn't just drop to CNC. For engineers you really need a lot more training to be useful.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah totally right on those. It's still "workable" for some jobs. An engineer apprentice would take years to be competent. I wonder if they are so deperate to even allow non-university educated to fill in the void. Even a fresh engineer grad has no where near the value as a veteran in a field. I hope they gave them service exceptions.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 day ago

Tight labour markets do magic for the slaves !

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago

I would have expected good working conditions for the workers if they are so short staffed. Black plauge did do wonders for the workers.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -4 points 1 day ago

Funnny how we never see these sort of break out withinthe US labour markets...

I wonder why 🤔

[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wonder why

The US isn't in a war with hundreds of thousands of casualties, the entire economy re-geared to produce wartime materials, huge needs to on-shore production as foreign partners cut ties, oil and ammo depots exploding all over the country cutting the two major sources of export revenue, central bank interest rates at 19% putting even the safest of loans at credit-card levels of interest, demographic decline that makes Europe's problems look downright peachy, and persistent double-digit inflation wiping out the real value of everyone's savings and making it even harder to afford imports.

In short, the US has a healthy economy and Russia has a wartime economy that is doing it's best to win the war before an economic collapse.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 1 day ago

I want a report on which labour markets have shortages so employees can squeeze the corpo daddy... But plebs never get such data...

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago

Poor kittens

this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2024
99 points (97.1% liked)

Ukraine

8109 readers
547 users here now

News and discussion related to Ukraine

*Sympathy for enemy combatants in any form is prohibited.

*No content depicting extreme violence or gore.


Donate to support Ukraine's Defense

Donate to support Humanitarian Aid


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS