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Hey y'all, today I experienced another push for Linux from our friend Microsoft. 5 minutes ago, I wanted to use the timer app on Windows, so I could manage my work/break schedule, and this fucker showed up. Yes, that's a prompt to sign in with a Microsoft account to use the clock. If you close it, it pops up 30s later. Clicking “Don't sign in” or closing the process responsible for displaying it is useless, and guess what… IT PAUSES THE TIMER WHEN IT SHOWS UP.

I guess this is another thing added to the super long list of things which will eventually make me switch my main workstation to Linux once win10 is discontinued.

/endrant

Hope y'all are having a great day :3

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[-] bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 83 points 2 days ago

This is actually surreal ☠️

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 34 points 2 days ago

the clock app has a built in spotify integration and player.
the calculator sends diagnostic data.

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

The diagnostic app does absolutely nothing.

[-] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

That's not true, the placebo effect is very real

[-] bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I remember my windows ~7 days when j thought pressing a button in windows and watching the bar load and say done actually fixed things 😭

[-] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 156 points 2 days ago

Why wait. Start switching now.

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 69 points 2 days ago

This. Be proactive. Don't wait for microsoft

[-] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 days ago

I have moved my laptop over to kubuntu for a while now, but I have too many workflows that rely on windows ) :

[-] variants@possumpat.io 46 points 2 days ago

Better start soon then to get those workflows going quicker

[-] gerdesj@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

What are they?

I ditched Windows roughly 15 years ago and I run a MS Silver partner shop.

I daily drive Kubuntu (was Arch but I need to tick boxes). I used to teach DTP, WP, spreadsheets etc and Libre Office is fine as a replacement for MSO. Email - Exchange and Evolution EWS. I create the most complicated docs in my firm and MSO works with them OK.

I 3D print stuff and use LibreCAD and OpenSCAD. All good. Also note that there are lots of other CAD apps on Linux for free/libre and of course we have

As far as I am aware, games is the only area that Linux might fail and that issue is shrinking rapidly.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

better to start figuring out your workflow on linux now than waiting for shit to hit the fan and do it in a hurry.

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 days ago

Best to wait until the last second and switch cold turkey. What could possibly go wrong?

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[-] didnt1able@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

Obligatory Windows is bloat.

[-] TheDarkQuark@lemmy.world 62 points 2 days ago

I'm glad that you want to switch to Linux, but I think there'd be open source solutions for Windows too. I daily drive Linux, and I would begin with looking for open source timers if I ever need timers. Why not do the same in Windows too?

Here are a few: https://alternativeto.net/software/free-countdown-timer/?platform=windows&license=opensource

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago

If you close it, it pops up 30s later.

This is by far the most annoying development in software and website design to ever occur. You can’t say no to stuff anymore. If you say no, they nag you again very very soon, and they will continue nagging you until you accidentally click yes. After you’ve clicked yes, they make it damned near impossible to change that selection. Dark patterns were outlawed years ago, yet somehow nagware is legal? Fuck the person who thought this up with a spiked baseball bat.

[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

There is a carrier app on my phone that cannot be uninstalled without root. I guess all phones have that, even if you don't have a contract, which I don't. I disabled roaming, went to another country, and it started to randomly show pop-ups asking me to turn on roaming and activate the international plan. There is an ok and cancel button, and it can pop up right under my fingers while I am typing something. That is pure evil.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I haven’t experienced this with a Pixel nor an iPhone. I buy straight from Google and Apple though, because I don’t want the bloatware that carriers install. Did you buy from the carrier? Is it a Samsung? They do all kinds of crappy things with their TouchUI.

[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Apparently the app is actually called Sim toolkit and it is built into the Android OS. I didn't even give it permission to send notifications.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I just got an iPhone yesterday, so I checked the iPhone and my Pixel Pro and I don’t have that app on either OS.

[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Really interesting. Probably country specific. Thanks for checking.

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[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I did not buy from the carrier. It's a OnePlus 9 Pro.

In all my phones so far, a carrier app like this is automatically installed after I boot the phone for the first time with a sim card. Going all the way back to my first android phone.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Maybe that’s a country or carrier specific thing? I don’t have that on my phone, not with T-Mobile nor Verizon.

[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Can you see a system app called "SIM Toolkit"?

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago
[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oh boy are you going to love-to-hate this then. It's best viewed on a proper computer, but you'll get the gist on mobile too.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Ha! Thanks for sharing that. I got a real laugh out of it. It starts off pretty tame and just gets worse and worse until it’s completely unusable. As a former blogger, I’m very familiar with some of the shit that money driven bloggers pulled. I always avoided anything other than non-intrusive ads and still made a living off of it, which really goes to show that usually the webmaster is just an asshole.

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[-] zod000@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago

Minor correction: You can't say no because they intentionally almost never give you "no" as an option. It generally is "Ask again later" instead, when you clearly never want them to ask again, just like you didn't want to be asked the first time.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Yes, that’s what I’m talking about.

[-] 800XL@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Nagware has been around since the 80s and it was just as annoying then even without this bloated corporate hellscape we call the internet 🙁

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 days ago

lol, that's so stupid. why does it pause the timer? did they do that intentionally?

[-] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 days ago

I'd imagine it's to force me to sign in to use the timer. Shittify the version that can't track as much, and force the users to use it logged in

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Does the timer "jump" to the correct time after you dismiss the window ? It's also possible that they didn't bother testing the app when logged out, and that the popup blocks the UI thread while it's displayed. In short it could be bad coding and QA instead of intentional enshittification.

[-] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 days ago

No it pauses the timer. Once I dismiss the popup I can see that the pause button icon has been replaced with the continue/play icon. Clicking it unpauses the timer until the popup pops up again.

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago

OK so this is most likely by design, impressive.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

I can imagine the project lead in the meeting: "Okay guys, we need to make the worst timer app ever, so I can sell my better timer app in the app store. Any ideas?" "You can start the timer, but need to be online and sign in with 2FA to keep the timer running." "Brad, you're a genius."

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 days ago

I think Microsoft is way overconfident

[-] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 days ago

Microsoft had made a product that has for decades been used to run other people's software. They've unintentionally made windows a "monopoly" in the sense that no other os can run windows only software perfectly. Most consumers will probably think Linux " is just a terminal and too advanced", and the others who can install a distro might still be locked into using windows because not all software can run under wine.

So to you they might seem overconfident in that you can switch, but for some they're shit out of luck in the department of alternatives. Microsoft knows they can exploit their users, and they will do it

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

They've unintentionally made windows a "monopoly"

What? Becoming a monopoly is the most intentional thing they’ve ever done, and the only thing they’ve ever done well.

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[-] 1984@lemmy.today 21 points 2 days ago

We are already on Linux man.

[-] fin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

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[-] Ozonowsky@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

This is supposed to be the most used operating system, recommended for its ease of use. Meanwhile you have to sign in to use a clock app. Such a shame, especially because the focus timers are actually useful.

[-] Cornflake_Dog@lemmy.wtf 18 points 2 days ago

That is disgusting. 'nuff said.

[-] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

why wait the death of win10 when you can switch now, get that painful first days learning things out of the way now that you have a fallback if absolutely necessary

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[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago

Windows is a platform for Office. Linux is not a supported platform for Office. Most businesses will not migrate their desktops off Windows because they will not migrate their workforce off Office.

Beyond that, Windows is not as important to Microsoft as it used to be. The real money makers are Azure and Office. With Azure, they do not care if you run Linux. They even have their own distro ( Azure Linux — previously CBL Mariner ).

Azure is the future ( even for Office ).

Since Windows is less strategic, Microsoft is looking to milk it as a cash cow while they can. So, Product Management is tasked with finding new ways to monetize it. Data is worth a lot of money. The best way to farm data from users these days is to frame it as security ( or AI ).

Expect a lot more SIngle Sign On. Expect a lot more AI. Expect a lot more cloud integration. Expect all of these to focus on data harvesting.

A bit later, expect “services” for Linux that attempt the same. Like Google on Android. This is harder though as Windows does not have monopoly control over Linux as a platform. I am sure they are having many meetings about how to change that.

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[-] _____@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago

You cannot use anything without signing up. You can't use clip champ which should require 0 Internet connectivity.

They want to act as if linking your account is a prerequisite when it's neither required or helpful

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[-] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 days ago

My parents are in their 80s and this crap will push them to Linux.

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