am i just paranoid or will this make it harder to get evidence of abuse etc. while being presented as a wholesome anti-phone-surveillance thing?
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Fuck. There's layers to this that I, again, didn't think of before I read these comments. Yeah, forbidding any scrutiny could also be bad.
Before knee-jerk "let people enjoy things" chants, I want to stress that not all fun that partygoes seek at parties is necessarily mutually consenting, or even directed toward conscious people.
(CW: SV, emotional and mental abuse)
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Not debate bro'ing but Brock Turner was video taped wasn't he? The rampant toxic misogynistic culture doesn't really seem to care about being filmed and law enforcement and the judicial system don't either.
I'd rather there be some way of at least presenting wrongdoing whether or not it's actually punished after it happens.
Saying "it wasn't punished therefore stop trying" is a head-first dive into the is/ought realm of bad ideas.
I'm not saying to stop trying, moreso that the effort needs to be directed at a more productive area like security in these venues. My city scene has plenty of stories of security not caring at all when women complain about bad actors before things have escalated further
The sea of phones at concerts sucks, not to mention people filming and making fun of strangers having a good, weird time. Again, this isn't saying these issues are more important than assaults, but that phone control policies only seem to impact one end of the spectrum.
That's what I'm assuming as well
That's why instead of stickers, we should have lens caps with an easy toggle mechanism.
There's an argument to be made about a lens that is visibly disabled. Good faith and creepers aren't known to overlap
A lens cap visibly disables a lens, while allowing it to be taken off quickly and cleanly in an emergency (e.g. a cop enters).
i agree, but it's also able to be removed quickly for some creeper shit.
I'm kind of leaning towards the slightly icky position of "people in this club know that photo evidence is not likely to exist"
There are probably still security cameras. You just need to be really good about using them.
Germans do be some real freaks.
But what if you peel them off?
I assume you get kicked out, similar to someone drinking that doesnt have the right stamp or wristband or whatever in clubs that allow 18+ who cant drink
I think they change color once peeled off and they check when you leave. I know that factories make people use these pretty frequently.
check when you leave
And then what? They swipe your phone?
I'm not sure. They might ask you to go through your photos and ask to delete them, or just ban you.
Why not use the locked phone bags that Jack White forces people to use?
I get it jn swingers clubs, but in regular clubs that just idiotic. Lost your friends? Get lost all night. Can't check uber prices or the line up time table, or the fucking clock.
Nobody has clocks on their walls anymore 
Or watches 😟
Fucking clownish that the world is so dominated by creepy techbros that it's a given that anyone's camera on anyone's phone takes pictures/video without the user's permission or awareness.
In a somewhat less fucked up world that shit would be a criminal act that would shut down the manufacturers.
Wonder if they remember to put it on front facing?
As someone who goes to clubs pretty regularly, I think this is pretty stupid tbh. If people want to record videos of the DJ instead of dancing, good for them.