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[-] roserose56@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago

I started with their email services many years ago, and today I user their email + free calendar. To be true, they went too much far with all these apps, but as long as it works for them thats fine.

[-] franiis@lemmy.world 29 points 22 hours ago

Will they be now on FDroid? I think only one Proton app is there and it's a little bit sad.

[-] piracysails@lemm.ee 19 points 21 hours ago

Proton VPN and proton pass

IRRC they even removed all telemetry from pass but not VPN.

They should definitely push drive and calendar there too.

[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 6 points 14 hours ago

Why the fuck does their VPN have telemetry?

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 hours ago

Telemetry is not bad in itself. It can be used for bug/crash reports, or usage statistics, without tracking or personal data collection.

[-] Quail4789@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago

Do you want good products? That happens through telemetry. Simple as that.

[-] utopiah@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

I'm curious, any advice on that? How does one do "good" telemetry? I'm the first to complain about Microsoft, Apple, (even worst) Google, Meta and now OpenAI collecting data to sell me stuff... but it's true that also some data is needed to get some kind of introspection in terms of usage. Developers need to understand what is actually happening with the software they develop.

Now I'm wondering specifically about 2 side :

  • how to do the data collection correctly (e.g local only, only send on crash, only send without PII, store only aggregate)
  • how to get informed consent from users (e.g off by default, UX that supports understanding of why it's done and how)

I'm genuinely glad that the mindset around privacy have changed since the last few years but I'm wondering how, when it's a genuinely positive good case (to truly make better products), to do it.

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Your app has a button on its front page. No one ever presses that button. With good telemetry, you will know this and remove the button. The only thing you need to know is how many times each user opens the app and how many times they tapped that button. Crash reports can include the causes of errors. Without this data the app might have that unused button there forever and crash everytime anyone taps the donate button and you wouldnt know why you arent getting any dontaions.

Telemetry is usually collected on non metered networks. Usually it is opt-out by default, set by the user in the apps settings. Personally, I'd inform the user of this and let them decice on first startup.

[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 12 hours ago

It's a VPN! What did you expected? /hj

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 34 points 1 day ago

sad its on github but am not complaining much

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

You people are never satisfied!

[-] EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 33 points 23 hours ago

Unfortunately GitHub is still where 99% of devs are

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 9 points 23 hours ago
[-] Cube6392@beehaw.org 1 points 1 hour ago

i think some big project, something really important, needs to migrate for the masses of devs to move too

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

can you educate me a bit about what's wrong with that?

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

bcs github is owned by microsoft its not that private nor open source(like git)

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[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

The workflow is also kind of obtuse.

FD: I prefer GitLab between the two.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

tbh gitlab is also closed source unless your using the community edition

[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

It is, which is rather annoying.

I should spend some more time with the FOSS forges, but bare git works for me when I’m self-hosting my own repos.

[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

I want to make the jump from Google apps but I can't because I use GCal heavily and Proton Calendar doesn't (yet) sync to GCal. I can enter in something in GCal and it'll appear in Proton Calendar, but I can't enter in something in Proton Calendar and it shows up in GCal. Hopefully they add that soon.

[-] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

If you want to move away from Google apps, why keep using Google Calendar? Maybe someone has a suggestion for a way to work with it if you say what your continued use case for it is and what kind of limitations you are working with.

[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

I have shared calendars with family and friends that I need to keep using.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Then your plan is kinda flawed from the start, eh?

[-] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Ok. The way I'm set up with my partner is to have two calendars, one on Nextcloud (me) and one on Google Calendar (my partner). We subscribe to each others calendars, and I'm also formatting it the same so it appears to be one. However, we cannot edit each others entries, but for our use case that is not needed, we just need to share certain events between us. So while this is not Proton, I believe the same is doable there.

I can see how this is not a very practical with multiple people (but potentially doable, it has been set-and-forget in my case), and if you need the ability to edit each others entries, then it is a non-starter.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 203 points 1 day ago

It took me going to their GitHub to find out, but it’s GPL 3.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 23 hours ago

Why the but? GPL 3 is the correct license to use for open source projects to ensure they stay open and corps don't freeload on them.

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 6 points 21 hours ago

English isn’t my first language. I share your opinion regarding the license. Which connector would you use instead of “but” to indicate that you succeeded in your efforts even though it was harder you thought it would be?

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 7 points 21 hours ago

English is my only language, and yours looks fine to me. I thought it was pretty clear from the first comment that the "but" indicated success despite difficulties, and as you clarified that's exactly what you meant.

[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 12 hours ago

Why not having a L2 maybe a L3? People from the US should feel like they're missing out in our modern world!

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[-] lupec@lemm.ee 112 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Very nice, I do hope that helps us finally get a Linux version sometime soon lol

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