I love that Republicans continue to liken our criminal justice system to those of a banana republic when, in fact, these individuals have been properly charged, arraigned, given an opportunity to sever their cases or move them to a different court or request a more speedy trial, are out on bail, have been provided with an attorney if they don’t have one, AND ARE, IN THE EYES OF THE LAW INNOCENT UNTIL A COURT OF LAW SAYS OTHERWISE—all the distinguishing features of the world’s gold standard of justice. In a banana republic, they would have already been executed for participating in an attempt to overthrow the government….
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You don't understand! The very possibility that any of these ~~oligarchs~~ fine Americans have to spend any time facing any sort of judgment at all is itself proof positive that we've descended into lawless anarchy! The country will fall apart one missed martini lunch at a time!
Don't you see?!? The law is for thee, not me!
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Two excellent replies. I have nothing more to add.
Then why say anything?
Their claims to their base that "if they are able to do this to us, they could do it to you" should be the wake up call that snaps the MAGA cult out of its blind devotion.
How the average MAGA cultist can look at Trump et al and feel that they are part of the same group is mind boggling.
they are loss invested. they havd put so much time into it stopping now would only mean all of it was a waste.mental gymnastics aside at that point it would feel like it costs less to contine to the very bottom then stop and turn around.... you know just incase everything starts going your way again.... theres always a chance if you let it fester. best to smother it like a fire. never leave a little burning.
MAGAts are all "temporarily embarrassed millionaires", and thus part of the in-group (as soon as they get their millions)
Their claims to their base that “if they are able to do this to us, they could do it to you” should be the wake up call that snaps the MAGA cult out of its blind devotion.
If they are able to expose my scams they might be willing to expose your scams too!
It's how authoritarians operate in every realm. No matter how fair or objective or established the process is, they will insist on playing the victim, crying wolf, and framing as an attack on "all of us" everything that might infringe on their God-given right to do whatever they want to whoever they want. It's a big part of the reason why you can't give a mouse a cookie when it comes to Nazis.
If found guilty, shouldn’t the punishment be actual execution?
Depends on which charges. Hell, a lot of them he could be convicted of and still be allowed to hold office.
Basically it boils down to there being a LOT of charges and only some of them potentially barring from office, etc. He could be convicted on a dozen or more counts and just get 10+ in prison while running for office from his cell, depending on which ones.
Wow. Yeah. You make some very very good points that can’t be refuted. Banana republic my arse.
Imagine being dumb enough to go to prison so Donald Trump doesn't have to.
It's probably fear of the dirt that Donnie has on them getting out.
Imagine being more scared about people finding out what you did with that donkey in Tijuana than going to prison for trying to commit the worst act of election fraud in US history.
FSB, but yeah.
Another criminal defense attorney who closely watches the Trump proceedings posited another motive for those seeking to pin Trump with responsibility for the actions they took: Trump is likely to make a sweeping claim of executive immunity against all the charges.
“Eventually, Trump is going to assert broad presidential immunity and everyone else is going to ride under his authority,” said the attorney, William Shipley.
John Lauro, Trump’s attorney in the federal election case, signaled recently that he intends to file just such a sweeping immunity claim to attempt to derail the charges.
Sounds like the evidence is so overwhelming that instead of trying to deny the crimes took place, they're going to argue that presidents can do whatever the fuck they want. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm still constantly amazed that almost half the country is willing to throw away our democracy in support of Donald Trump.
"Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal"
It’s hard to find good henchmen these days. Indeed can help.
Seriously, look what the Joker's henchmen would do for him.
No need to look further than what 21 and 24 do for the Monarch
Hench 4 Life
Go team venture!
When your entire promotion structure in your business looks like a bucket full of crabs, this is what you get.
"Nobody wants to work anymore!"
-Mob bosses who refuse to provide free attorneys for employees who get arrested on the job
Joel Haver needs to do one of these
"I don't think they'll believe me, laddie."
Into the pit with those blood thirsty sons of whores!
the livestream of this will get interesting.. as he starts to see just how alone he is, he is just gonna lose his shit on a regular basis.. this screaming baby cannot keep that mouth shut when baby's mad..
He already loses his shit on a regular basis. That’s why he wears adult diapers.
Oooooh I fall apart.
Down to my core.
Didn't know it before.
Surprised cause you caught me off guard.
Hardest damn jury I fought.
If he is on trial or in prison, and Biden goes to the Celtic Otherworld, will the aliens finally come and save us?
They should all save their own asses. It's what trump would do.