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Personally, I don't* but I was curious what others think.

^*^some sandwiches excluded like a Cubano or chicken parm; those do require cooking.

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[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 66 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I don't think it's cooking unless you are applying heat to cause a chemical reaction. So, making a grilled cheese sandwich counts as cooking, but a BP&J does not.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Making ceviche or sushi officially not cooking confirmed - how dare those posers call themselves sushi chefs.

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 months ago (3 children)

gotta cook the rice for sushi. checkmate.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Sashimi: do I not even exist, bro?

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Slap a whole fish down in front of you.

You: "Not cooked"

slice fillet of fish off and present it.

You: "Not cooked"

slice fillet into small bite size pieces and squirt some neon green horseradish next to it

You: "Dis is cooked!"

?

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[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

Ha, you actually believe in Sashimi? Crazy.

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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think of a chef as a "preparer of food" not necessarily "food cooker"

So sushi chef is still accurate to their opinion, disclaimer I agree with them so I could always be rationalizing it.

[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

chef is french for chief. they are the head of the kitchen.

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[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some of the constituent ingredients have to be cooked, but ceviches and sushi rolls aren't cooked any more than salads or burritos. They're assembled or prepared.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're ignoring the chemical process in ceviche.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yea, ceviche is cooked with acid rather than heat - you can also cook some foods with salt!

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ceviche is said to be "cooked" with acid, even if that's not the most accurate term. And most forms of sushi are made with cooked rice, at minimum, and not uncommonly with other cooked ingredients. So those things kind of muddy the waters for your point. But a clearer example may be something like beef tartare, a garden salad with a vinegarette, or sashimi. Those things are "prepared", not cooked, because no cooking is involved in their making. Cooking is specifically the preparation of food utilizing heat. Chefs prepare plenty of dishes that do not involve the act of cooking.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)
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[–] Corno@lemm.ee 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Which means that it might be, depending on the sandwich. For example, you cook a panini or grilled cheese.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No, it's food preparation but nothing is being cooked.

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[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cooking (in the English I was taught) involves the application of heat - frying, baking, roasting, boiling etc are the names for specific ways to do this. A sandwich would be made or prepared.

[–] tiddy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Some go as far as saying cooking requires a chemical change, else youre just heating

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

Yeah - an application of heat to create a chemical change. You’re correct there. My answer was incomplete.

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[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

No one ever says "I'm cooking a sandwich"

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 months ago

Maybe a panini.

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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

IMO, assembling a sandwich from ready-to-eat ingredients without using a stove, oven, microwave, etc. is meal prep, not cooking. If you roast, saute, toast, smoke, or even zap any part of it, now you're cookin'. (Though zapping might just be reheating something that was cooked previously. Ugh, this is more complicated than it should be. English can be frustrating.)

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Personally I'd define cooking as something that creates an irreversible physical or chemical change using heat.

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[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago (8 children)

The word cooking, to me, means using heat with a stove. Baking is for the oven. Grilling, is outside on a grill. But a sandwich is only ever "made" in my house. "Will you make me a sandwich?", "I'm making a sandwich"

Good question though. Never thought about it.

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[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

The specific language you speak has significant impact here. For some, "to make food* is used to refer to cooking. Where as in English it's not so clear. I prefer the use in terms of survival. IMO, if you can make any food enough to survive you can cook, because in English there is not a better colloquial verb. Though i wouldn't call you 'a cook' or 'a chef' if you can't apply heat to produce edible food from raw.

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[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Depends on the sandwich. If you're constructing a sandwich without using heat, I would consider that "making lunch" or "making dinner" but not explicitly cooking. I'm not sure that the difference matters in any significant situations, though. Why are you asking?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why are you asking?

Boredom.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nope. In English, if it doesn't involve the application of heat, you ain't cooking, you're preparing, making, or other terminology.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So toasting a sammich is cooking, but making the sammich isn't?

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Pretty much, yeah. Same as grilling a burger and putting it on bread is cooking despite the bread being pre-made.

Afaik, cooking isn't limited to applying heat to raw foods.

Might be worth saying that I don't remember which dictionary the definition came from, and that dictionaries only record language, they don't prevent changes over time. Which means that usage could have changed enough since the last time I looked at any, and now have a different usage added

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you cook it, like a grilled cheese, then yes. Otherwise, it’s sandwich arts.

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[–] psilotop@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

It's only cooking if it's done in the Cooke region governed by the Earle of Sandwich. Anything else is sparkling food preparation.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I guess that it depends on context? Typically I wouldn't call it cooking, as it doesn't involve applying heat to the food. But if I were to teach a kid how to cook, then I'd consider it cooking - as teaching them how to prepare a sandwich would be a good start.

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If someone told me they "cooked themselves a BLT", I'd assume they meant they'd baked the bread, fried the bacon, and emulsified the mayonnaise themselves and the slicing and assembly were just the final parts of the process.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

"Cooking" to me, requires the combination of ingredients AND heating them to create a new thing. Making a grilled cheese is basic, but cooking. Slapping meat, cheese and veg on bread is not cooking.

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[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I guess it would depend on the type of sandwich

. Peanut butter and jelly? No

A simple cheese sandwich? No

Grilled cheese sandwich? Yes

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

By that logic, salads and sushi aren't cooking.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago
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The question is inadequatly phrased. You must describe what kind of sandwich we are speaking of. Unless op is speaking about cold sandwiches exclusively, many sandwiches require cooking.

Croque Monsieur

Grilled Cheese

Cubano

Monte Cristo

Panini

These are just a few that I came up with off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more.

[–] TerkErJerbs@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

Put butter on the outside, throw it in a hot pan and grill it. Even go further and get a sandwich press. NOW YOU'RE COOKIN!

[–] rapadura@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Cooking is a process of transformation, both physical and symbolic. Combining ingredients intentionally to create something flavorful and nutritious, making a sandwich certainly falls under the act of cooking.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Preparing food and cooking food are two different things.

I wouldn't even say making a grilled cheese would be cooking. I don't think heat has anything to do with it. I mean, am I cooking if I'm microwaving a frozen dinner? Are the "cooks" at an Applebee's cooking if all they do is warm up bags of premade food and microwave steaks?

I would say cooking requires you to prepare ingredients, combine them, and cook them.

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[–] Nusm@yall.theatl.social 3 points 3 months ago
[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

hm, no, because it is baking instead.

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